Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Heldmann


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The result was keep. The page has been improved since nomination and I find the argument that it now meets WP:NAUTHOR persuasive. Just Chilling (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Carl Heldmann

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Of the five references provided in this article, three are to Heldmann’s own work. The one in the LA Times I can’t access and the last is a passing mention. I can’t find any other references. My conclusion is that while some of the author’s books are possibly notable, he himself isn’t. Mccapra (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Mccapra, As you say, his books are notable and sources exist from which the page can be improved. However, you appear to misunderstand WP:CREATIVE, with, writers, composers, painters and other CREATIVE types, we do not require that anything at all is known about the creator, only that the work is notable.  We have numerous pages about anonymous authors, sculptors, poets... Especially when, as here, the writer is notable for a series of books on a topic, it is COMMON to have a BIO page sourced to articles and reviews about the books.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 05:27, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep as Nom states, page needs improvement. However, I ran a WP:BEFORE and in a proquest news archive search I can see book reviews and coverage going back to the publication of his first book in the 1990s. Added two book reviews and a NYTimes article stating that one of his books sold 300,000 copied.  This page just needs an editor to put the work in, but it may require access to news archive searches.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. Thanks but I still don’t think this passes WP:ANYBIO. The NYT source is a passing reference consisting of one sentence. The CNN source is likewise a passing ref consisting of a one-sentence quote. The last two refs you’ve added don’t have links so I can’t see them, but suspiciously they have identical titles. When I search for that title I turn up a third piece in the NY Daily News also headed “Want to be your own contractor? First read this“. From which I conclude this is most likely just a recycling of launch PR. My conclusion is still that while some of his books may be notable, he isn’t. Mccapra (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note, however, that they are signed reviews by different journalists, both apparaently using an obvious play on world of the book title. I used a Paywalled Proquest newspaper search, therefore, no links.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Books widely discussed, one sold over 300,00o copies. some book reviews, but mostly discussion of the books, interviews, feature coverage.  He was a be-your-own contractor guru. But editors without access to paywalled news archives will have trouble seeing the coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Prolific author who meets WP:SIGCOV Los Angeles Times. E.M.Gregory did some good work adding references. Lightburst (talk) 17:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:NAUTHOR. I have added a couple more reviews of two of his other titles, in addition to the reviews that E.M.Gregory added the one that has been in print so long. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


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