Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl R. Byoir


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The result was Speedy Keep per WP:SK. (non-admin closure) Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  13:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Carl R. Byoir

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Article has the appearance of being well-sourced, but all the citations are either not accessible, or broken links. This would not ordinarily be a problem, except the article includes false claims, like Byoir being one of the founding fathers of PR (I wrote the article on History of Public Relations and there are quite a few that fight for this title, but Byoir is not one of them). If he was genuinely notable for having a role in the history of public relations, there should be something in a Google Books search, which contains a large volume of books on the subject. CorporateM (Talk) 04:07, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep He receives significant coverage in the Historical Dictionary of American Propaganda, which supports many of the claims in the article, including that he ran "one of the largest public relations firms in the United States". Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Cullen328. Also of note, he has a full bio in Encyclopedia Britannica  and the Encyclopedia Judaica pairs Byoir with Edward Bernays as two former Committee on Public Information workers who "became major forces in raising public relations to a profession".    Here's his obit in the Chicago Tribune  --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn: Per the above. CorporateM (Talk) 02:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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