Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carla Vila


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Consensus is that the subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Hut 8.5 20:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Carla Vila

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Tried finding sources for this, came up empty. Non-notable actress who has appeared in a few small movies and had bit parts on a few scatered episodes of TV shows. Appears the article is being created by a PR person from the username being used. Ridernyc (talk) 07:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I think this entry is valuable to Wikipedia, as she is the first Salvadoran actress to have gained merit in French film and American TV. No other actress before her has achieved that. Try finding sources indicating otherwise and you'll see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.223.140 (talk) 07:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

There are sources here, like IMDB, and more importantly wikipedia itself! I don't understand why Wikipedia admin is so critical of Salvadoran actors, calling them "non notable" just because they aren't household names in the United States. I would think that Wikipedia would be less prejudiced than that. Having people of note from other cultures like El Salvador is a valuable addition to Wikpedia because it informs North Americans that there is a wider world out there beyond the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slvdrnbleeker (talk • contribs) 10:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Neutral: I rarely !vote this way, so let me explain. Certainly not only this article but this AfD have all the hallmarks of drain-circling: creation by an account with a suspect username (although I have not found a connection to the subject), unsigned keep votes by recently-created accounts with few or no other edits, insistence on a source (IMdB) we don't consider reliable and use of arguments like WP:EVERYTHING. But ... I am not convinced just by all that that the subject is non-notable. Certainly there would be other sources for the U.S. TV show credits, like the show's websites? And can someone look through, say, the Salvadorean press for coverage that might establish notability in that context? Until we resolve this I'm not sure we should be so hasty. Daniel Case (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. BGwhite's research and Ridernyc's followup have been convincing. Daniel Case (talk) 12:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of El Salvador-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked through the foreign press got two hits for this person. Both were non-notable and looked like simple copies of press releases.  One was she was in a contest to have a bit part on Mad Men, the other was a simple cut and past of her bio, which has since been translated and at one point was very very close to what was in the article. I have been unable to find anything about the movies and the critical acclaim she received.  Both films are short films, at one point the article claimed one of them won awards in France, but can not find sources.  I have repeatedly removed 90210 from the article, she is listed as "Housekeeper" in the credits, it keeps getting placed back in.  Also at one point there was a "mistake" in the 90210 listing that gave the character a name.  Every time I clean this up and ask for cites, it is simply reedited to inflate the resume of this person. Ridernyc (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

--- I agree with Daniel Case. In fact, you have to have people among the adminstrators in Wikipedia who can actually speak Spanish and French. I myself found at least articles on behalf of the subject from one of the top two national newspapers of El Salvador called La Prensa Grafica. This newspaper is the equivalent of The New York Times in El Salvador, yet Ridernyc is questioning its validity. I read one of the articles myself and it is an interview of her experience working on ER, how she came about becoming an actress, her personal life, her family. I'm not sure why Ridernyc is claiming it is close to what is currently on Wikipedia. In addition, there are several websites in France who state that the short film by the title of Alea directed by Antoine Pinson has won several prizes and Palmares in France. It seems Ridernyc is doing limited research because he/she may not speak other languages. Also, for TV shows, the network has to approve the credit of each participating actor. If you look at the names of each episode she has been in you can see her TV credit. If that doesn't suffice, you should get on the phone with each production company or network to verify that the participation of the subject is valid. I personally don't think that the subject is trying to inflate her resume because again you can verify her co-star role on 90210 despite that the name of her role was "Cleaning Lady" not "Housekeeper" like Ridernyc claims. I also have a question, do the administrators of Wikipedia only stick to sources that are online only? Or do they actually get on the phone and investigate with the pertinent entities? 99.124.164.41 (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yet another IP that is very interested in this. The link you show are the unreliable press releases I mentioned above.  And nope sorry I'm not calling production companies to verify your client has only had small background bit parts on TV shows. Please provide us to links from independent reliable sources. Ridernyc (talk) 22:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

You are saying that the Salvadoran national newspaper La Prensa Grafica is an unreliable source? Is it not referenced in Wikipedia? I'm confused. How are you to make accusations that the subject is a client of mine? You shouldn't be making wild, close minded accusations about contributors to pages and be objective about the subject. She is not a background actress and if you looked into it further you would see that it is a fact. From the history of this discussion, it seems you have been predisposed about shooting down this article and those reasons seem either lazy or subjective. You have been provided links from independent sources. Is the New York Times not an independent source then? Your arguments are not based on facts whatsoever. 99.124.164.41 (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, I tried locating some of her shows on the web and you are able to watch one of her Southland episodes on amazon per the network's licensing agreement: Watch at least that episode and see that the subject is billed with a credit when credits roll. Background actors do not get billing whatsoever, so don't make false declarations and found your arguments on facts. I suggest you do the same with the rest of her TV credits. 99.124.164.41 (talk) 02:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * no one is arguing that she is not in the episodes. The problem is her roles in the episodes are not enough to establish notability. This is a cut and paste of her bio and says she is appearing in one episode of ER.  Like I said it's a cut paste of a press release. Ridernyc (talk) 03:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

- Wikipedia's judgment to determine a subject's notability is very limited. No other Salvadoran actress with the same preparation as Ms. Vila has ever achieved what people here are calling small roles in several American TV series and none of the editors here seem to be able to prove otherwise. Therefore, this actress in that sense is making Salvadoran history, but Wikipedia seems to disagree. Ridernyc did state she "had small background bit parts on TV shows" and then went on to contradict himself. He/she also continues to say that it's a cut & paste of her bio which is 100% inaccurate. This leads me to believe that Ridernyc does not speak Spanish, so verifying information is lessened. He/she just skimmed through the article and picked up on similar words and then makes a false statement. If I were to read a biography of any "notable" figure, there would be OBVIOUS similarities because it's the life of the same person here, in Bangladesh, Yemen or Quedlinburg. 75.84.223.140 (talk) 06:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Here is her resume with her talent agency. It does show she has done movies.  However, on closer inspection, it is misleading.  The "Troy L. Price/ Relentless" movies are done by Relentless Filmworks, which is a company that does "short films" for actors for their resume and casting.  The "Antoine Pinson/ ESRA" movies... ESRA stands for Ecole Supérieure de Réalisation Audiovisuelle, a film school. The film, Windsor Park, Camera 2, is actually a very short web series.   The other films have the same problems.  So, we have an actor that hasn't been in any real films and only one episode of a few TV series.  Can't find references to satisfy GNG and she also fails WP:NACTOR, so delete. Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Although I concur with Daniel in his comments about the persistent use of arguments like WP:EVERYTHING, I have to agree with Bgwhite and !vote Delete. Yes, I do read Spanish and have not found anything that leads me to believe she complies with WP:NACTOR. I could be convinced to change if enough reliable sources are unearthed. -- Alexf(talk) 12:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - yet another non-notable working actor/model with an IMDb listing. There is no cultural bias here; I'd say the exact thing if the subject were from Wisconsin or Singapore or Andhra Pradesh or Nairobi. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:17, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to be presuming that we are making the decision now and for all time. If she did get a more significant role in a TV series or feature film, the article could be recreated and kept. She well might. But we don't keep articles on the basis of the subject's potential accomplishments. BTW, your intimations that this is some sort of cultural bias thing, to me, would be ripe for reconsideration if you looked at, say, how many articles on Bollywood or Filipino/a actors we have that certainly I, and most other Americans outside those communities, have never heard of. (See this and this) Daniel Case (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
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