Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos A. Monteagudo


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The result was   delete. —  Aitias  // discussion 00:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Carlos A. Monteagudo

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Long autobiographical article by a candidate in an Illinois congressional district election. Per WP:POLITICIAN, being a candidate does not confer notability (for the good reason that Wikipedia should not be an election billboard); I do not think that, apart from his candidacy, this article establishes notability to the standard of Notability (people). Delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure Although this is a bad article. Mr. Monteagudo himself seems to be notable as the founder of an organization. I would expect that news stories about him could be found. Redddogg (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. This was the seat of Rahm Emanuel, chief of staff to the President. Monteagudo is one of 25 candidates that are listed in the primary, 1. --J.Mundo (talk) 21:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete pretty much per the above. Wikipedia's no place for politicians to advertise themselves. Themfromspace (talk) 22:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's Keep It!!!! Dr. Monteagudo's story is quite inspiring and needs to be told. From the inner city of Chicago to Harvard - this sounds like a certain President we all know. Keep it up! - Michael Diaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.227.63.187 (talk) 04:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC) — 98.227.63.187 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Dr. Monteagudo is a person of interest simply by being a candidate for national office. Congress is among the most selective institutions in American life. Candidates for this high office, by the simple act of running, become interesting. Dr. Monteagudo's compelling personal story has also had a remarkable impact on the lives of countless individuals who have heard it, inspiring hope and encouraging personal change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgreisdorf (talk • contribs) 21:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC) — Sgreisdorf (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment Merely being a candidate is not a claim to notability in itself. I also wouldn't reckon that all Congressmen were notable - same as our MPs and other bottom level national political figures. This candidate does seem to have some claim to notability outside his candidacy, but the article is a bit cozy talky. I've searched for some parts in case of copy-viol, but no ghits. One or two of the other posts in this discussion are a little too enthusiastic for my liking. Peridon (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Week keep as a stub - There seems to be some hints that this could be a worthwhile article and that the subject could be notable. If he is a notable physician in the community who was this public policy fellow, he could qualify.  It is easy to call for deletion of articles that are poorly written or not written in the usual WP style.  However, we should refrain from doing so and concentrate on criteria for article retention, mostly notability.  The ideal thing would be for someone to re-write the article in WP style and do some research for references then present this as to AFD.  Most of the references might be in the local Chicago press.  Rewriting would make the task of deciding much easier.  This would also encourage a potentially good editor to stay with WP.  Chergles (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 07:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. He is one of 14 candidates in a Democratic Party primary for the Congressional election. So far, he has received barely any news coverage for his participation in this election (the primary will be on March 3). If he starts receiving sufficient news coverage to establish him as notable, the article can be re-written at that time. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Metropolitan90 and WP:POLITICIAN. WP:RS coverage comes from running for office and Monteagudo is mentioned in passing. Notability not established. • Gene93k (talk) 11:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, merely being a candidate is not enough to meet WP:N. His story is quite impressive, and he's come a long way, but that doesn't mean that he's notable.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC).
 * Delete If he wins the primary, then I consider that he might be notable--I think all major party candidates for national office in 2 party systems should be so considered; it would save good deal of disputing. But until he does, merely running in the primary is not sufficient,   by my standard. The other possible notability is as a confounder of SEED, but we do not have an article on them and it is hard to judge if it is notable. He is listed on their web page  as a cofounder. But the present article is mostly campaign spam, as even Chergles, who gave a weak keep, agrees. That he met his wife in the 11th grade is not encyclopedic content. If kept, trim sharply. DGG (talk) 15:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not the place for inspirational stories, esp. about characters who have not acquire the notability demanded by WP:N. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sometimes a rewritten article can look entirely different. This is a possible version that is more encyclopedic, in my opinion.  It is a stub.  See User talk:Chergles/vandal sandbox congressional primary (I have mixed feelings about the revision which is why it is in the sandbox and not replacing the actual article) Chergles (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does look entirely different. Well done. I don't know if that's your remark at the bottom, but a search with ProQuest reveals that the Chicago Tribune has nothing (nor does any other newspaper) for Carlos Monteagudo (no quotes). Drmies (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment by nominator: that's a much better article, but I don't think my view changes. Looking through the 11 references, no. 2 is his own LinkedIn entry; 3, 8, 10, 11 are all due to his candidacy; 4 shouldn't be there - it's the website of the place where he did his residency, and doesn't actually mention him; 9 is his own organisation; 1, 5 and 6 seem to be an umbrella charity group of which his "SEED" is a member, and 7 is similar. I still don't think we have enough of the independent secondary source material required by WP:BIO. If this improved article went in, and if he doesn't win the election, then after it the last paragraph "Political Office" would need to be altered to read "was a candidate", or more likely removed as no longer significant. JohnCD (talk) 11:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Keep in mind that in the U.S., anyone can file for candidacy of any office and legally become a candidate. I could walk down to the county registrar's office right now and file as a candidate for governor, and my name would be on the ballot in the next election. Anyone can open up website for any purpose. Neither filing as a candidate for office nor having a website per se makes a person notable. •••Life of Riley (talk) 22:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not true. To get on the ballot for governor or congress in a major party primary (at least in any sizeable state) requires thousands of petition signatures from registered voters. Ballot access is not free for all interested, but rather, requires a showing of support and organization. Kestenbaum (talk) 06:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * comment related to above but unrelated to AFD: The fact that anyone can file for candidacy does not necessarily make the act not notable. Anyone can also do things that will make them WP notable except that many of those ways will result in going to prison. Chergles (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Nom. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  15:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of notability under either WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG. Do not see a single source from a reliable third party source with Monteagudo as the topic. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I still doubt of keeping the article but there were several newspaper mention of the man in the Fort Mill Times (1/21/09) as well as very brief mention in the Associated Press which was reproduced in several newspapers. Also http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Taking-The-Fifth.html mentions that he had to fight petition signature challenges, participated in a candidates' debate and opposes privatization of Midway Airport and the Chicago Sun Times mentions his good debate performance.  With this information, the article could be a weak, weak keep but in serious, serious need of rewrite which I have begun in my sandbox. Chergles (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


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