Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos Botelho


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. There doesn't seem to be any version about the more famous, older painter of the same name, so I could not restore that. This delete in no way opposes the creation of an article on Botelho (1899-1982), if that one is considered to be notable. Fram (talk) 13:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Carlos Botelho

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Carlos Botelho (born in 1964) is an unknown portuguese painter who has the same name than the real portuguese painter Carlos Bothello (18 september 1899 - 18 august 1982). He has created his autobiography on 10 wikipedia by using the notoriety of the real painter and replacing the biographies of the real painter (see in detail the 35000 google results).

He tried to cheat the portugueses by replacing the real one by his autobiography, but he failed because portugueses know the real painter. So he created pt:Bottelho.

Here are real biographies of the real painter (1899-1982): fr:Carlos Botelho, pt:Carlos Botelho, de:Carlos Botelho, it:Carlos Botelho

Here are the autobiographies by this dishonest user (1964-): pt:Bottelho, en:Carlos Botelho, de:Carlos Botelho, es:Carlos Botelho, fi:Carlos Botelho, it:Carlos Botelho , ja:カルロス・ボテーリョ, nn:Carlos Botelho, ru:Ботелью, Карлуш, sl:Carlos Botelho, zh:Carlos Botelho. --Copiste (talk) 10:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It is an unsourced biography and unless references to reliable sources are added to demonstrate verifiability and notability it should be deleted, noting also that WP:BLP requires biographies of living people to be referenced to reliable third-party sources. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - Both are known in Portugal and both have notoriety --João Carvalho (talk) 00:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.   —David Eppstein (talk) 01:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete this massivly COI article unless referenced (even then it needs much cleanup based on WP:NPF and unduly self-serving WP:SELFPUB). I did some searching since the artists seems to be the creator of a significant monument (Monumento ao Bombeiro) making this look like a slam dunk for "Keep". But Google searching that monument shows all those references seem to based on Wikipedia article references or other material generated by Carlos Botelho himself (many of those articles contain a photograph that Botelho shot himself). So no proof that this monument is significant. His own inserted resume entrys are split between him being a graphic designer and an arts project administrator with little reference to actual work as an artist. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 02:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * conditional rename. Clearly Carlos Botelho should be the article on Carlos António Teixeira Bastos Nunes Botelho (1899-1982); if and only if the assertion of notability for the current occupant can be maintained, the current content should be moved to Carlos Botelho (1964- ), or similar, with a WP:hatnote cross-referencing either way. --Paularblaster (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no work exhibited in museum, no book presenting his works, no notability at all. But a great marketing guy. SalomonCeb (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well please consider delete all illustrations on articles i´ve been working for as there are no notability in them, as well my Commons gallery. I have no intentions now to share anything with the world believe me. Im Carlos Botelho or Bottelho (b. 1964 ...) fortunately "not dead" and unfortunately with a homonymous as you know. There should be a rule to this disambiguation but .... a Im working on "reliable" sources such as City halls and museums, the article has sopme faults i know. However the "campaign" started from "France" with - (M:. Salomon... :. and copiste)with complete deletion and no historic in just two days and be sure that there are "hiden interests". However please consider deleting also Monumento ao Bombeiro just to be coherent and ask what do you want   from Wikiproject Portugal. If for any reason you consider merge article to Bottelho you resolve the "problem" as they did in Portugal. Kind and clear regards Carlos Botelho (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also and this is just a thought all this is related to an interview to a Central News (Lusa ) in Portugal and my position relatively to the prohibition of France press Journalists to cite Wikipedia as source... im not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Botelho (talk • contribs) 12:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Mr Botelho, I have no hidden interest in this. Any article may be restored if we get correct references. Can you please give us the titles of books related to your works, with their ISBN or OCLC, as well as the museums where we can find your works. Best regards. SalomonCeb (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Salomon i have made on the article some references in order to clarify some real informations. Some and the most important are being upgrading by the Municipality. My regards ... :| Carlos Botelho or Bottelho —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Botelho (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Mr Botelho, concerning:
 * "Madrugada Interdita" Cover and paintings. ISBN 978-989-617-104-9 1ª Edição - September 2006
 * The ISBN seems unknown and there is no occurence of Madrugada Interdita in the OCLC database.
 * Anyway, what would be really important for an article about yourself, would be a book or article of an art critic or writer, about yourself or your works. We need independant sources to validate the informations in any article.
 * Do those publications exist ?
 * Are there Museums exhibiting your works ?
 * Best regards. SalomonCeb (talk) 10:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Mr SalomonCeb it seems that the speed deletion on English WP do no work as in French wikipedia fortunately even beeing the biggest. About your questions i have answered before,.. those publications really exists i´m no cheating nobody, i am not dishonest user and i am sorry you don't find it. I consider offensive all this and i do not have patient enough to deal with your problem. I offended by accusations left here reporting to your country fellow user:copiste and obsessive also. Im represented yes in some museums and private collections city halls and in public places. I don't pretend prove nothing more. Its all in historic at the Portuguese and English Wikipedia. Not in French which i regret. So long wikifriends i don't pretend to make you wast more time. There's too much work to do for me and all of you quite sure. Salut Carlos Botelho (talk) 11:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've searched this book too and it seems to be unknown. Both the municipality of Sintra and Belas  don't know your works, especially you major work Monumento ao Bombeiro, a monument to the firemen on a little traffic circle. You claim the websites of theses municipalities are in maintenance, but as you can see this is not true. I have also a question, you did know since the beggining the existence of the notable painter Carlos Bothello (1899 - 1982), why didn't you clarified the homonymy since the beggining and why did you prefer to delete and replace his biography by yours? Is it because you can't succeed the "google test" with your other claimed name Botthelo (with 2 "t")? Also there is the same problem of notability about your grandfather Martiniano Ferreira Botelho  . How many articles about you and your family have you created? No offense, there are no personal considerations about you, but there are no reliable sources about you and it just looks alot like a WP:SELFPUB. --Copiste (talk) 11:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Monsier Copiste stop the persecution to my articles. If you have cheked Portuguese Wikipedia with the doctor Martiniano Ferreira Botelho proudly my grandfather and you would save to me and other´s some boring work. Stop the this User:Copiste as well User:SalomonCeb. Keep going in peace, regards  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Botelho (talk • contribs) 16:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Restore - restore to the Carlos Botelho born 1899. And we should work with the other languages to see that they're aware as well. matt91486 (talk) 17:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.