Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos Marun


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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Meatsgains (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Carlos Marun

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References are in Portuguese and I don't read Portuguese but the page, as it stands, does not seem like the subject meets general notability requirements. Meatsgains (talk) 23:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Obvious keep. This is an elected member of the Chamber of Deputies (Brazil), the lower house of that country. I'm not certain whether his current office is that of a "secretary of..." government minister level, or more of a deputy secretary of..., but even so he is clearly notable as an elected national-level politician (in a major country). He is the immediate subject of clearly reliable sources like Globo (provincial news), Globo (political news), Diario de Goias, Brasil 247, and so on and so on (36,000 Google News hits!!). Fram (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article certainly needs improvement, but a member of the Chamber of Deputies passes WP:NPOL #1. Bearcat (talk) 15:32, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, he's a national level politician (congressmen and minister), easily passing WP:NPOL. Article does need some work, though. I'll see if I can do something when I have more time. Victão Lopes  Fala! 15:59, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep He passes notability guidelines on multiple levels. With this many references alone, a person should not nominate unless they have a sense of what the references are. All, let me repeate that, all people who have ever been members of national legislatures are default notable. As long as we have evidence that they actually were in the legislature, we keep the article, no matter how little we have on them. I went through and rewrote the article to make it more clear that Marun is a member of the Chamber of Deputies and make it flow better in English. I strongly suspect that more could be written on his background, which we ought to have. However, an article being incomplete is reason to expand it, not delete it. He without question passes notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep If you can't read the references, is the best solution really to rush to articles for deletion? What is going on on this website? It is cases like this that give the entire encyclopedia a bad name, as it just appears to forward the idea that this website is being stifled by a group of westerners who summarily throw away things they don't understand. AfD submissions and submitters need to be held more accountable especially when they are in huge error such as this one. If you can't read the references then defer to someone who can. Use the talk page, use wiki projects. People need to stop using AFD as the "I don't like/understand this page" option.Egaoblai (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets GNG, as he is the secretary of government of Brazil. &mdash;cnzx (talk) 22:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:NPOL as a member of Brazil's Lower House, and WP:GNG with more than two independent reliable sources listed in the article, that should be the end but no the nominator states "References are in Portuguese and I don't read Portuguese" so why are you nominating this article? you could have left a message on the article, creator, and/or Portugual wikiproject talkpage with your concerns, or checked the sources using gtranslate (not recommended when translating an article from another language wiki but ok in a case like this), ggggggrrrrr!!!!!!, such an experienced editor should know better, a fish slap may be in order (btw, i'm starving and haven't received one for ages.:)) Coolabahapple (talk) 08:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep NPOL/GNG/BEFORE. South Nashua (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets GNG and NPOL. Foreign-language references are going to be necessary for most subjects not located in an English-speaking country. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 08:27, 25 November 2017 (UTC)


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