Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos Michael Kodoati


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftify. Godspeed. czar 00:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Carlos Michael Kodoati

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The notability of this article was extensively discussed on an editor's talk page, and consensus was essentially reached by those involved that the article does not meet the notability guidelines and should be deleted. R. A. S immons Talk 14:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - One reference to one minor award. The second paragraph is non-neutral non-encyclopedic language:  "Carlos likes to read books and write. Note that is now being written is Mozeta an article about the psycho-social that will reveal a variety of stories behind the walls and behind the figure of up to family life, school to work place industrial life."  If this individual is notable, the article can be saved in seven days.  If not, not. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, of course. The English Wiki article is far worse than the Indonesian Wiki article, and even that article doesn't contain enough reliable, neutral sources to determine that the subject merits an article. R. A. S immons Talk 14:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Move to draftspace so that the author has a chance to improve the article. However, I think we ought to get the author's opinion, if at all possible, and see if he even wants the responsibility. R. A. S immons Talk 05:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:13, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, does not appear notable even taking web sources into consideration - obviously Indonesian Wikipedia standards are different than English Wikipedia notability standards, so it'd make sense that there could be a discrepancy.


 * Draftify or whatever the term is to give author time to improve the article and submit as an Articles for Creation submission. Notability concerns seem to be the biggest worry so it'd make sense to draft it and allow the author to demonstrate notability (presumably the author has some understanding of both Indonesian and English and therefore has some expertise and motivation to look for sources). Appable (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: H.dryad may have an opinion on this based on his edit summary when removing the PROD, so pinging him for comment regarding deletion. Appable (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. The individual does not look excessively notable, but I did think the speedy and prods were a bit aggressive and that some more time should be given to develop the article. He is a journalist apparently and he does seem to have got some recognition from the Indonesian Climate Change Trust Fund, but at the moment I am not seeing that much else. H.dryad (talk) 14:42, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that it had significant time to develop, but that may have been my mistake altogether. R. A. S immons Talk 14:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - You write: "I was under the impression that it [the article] had significant time to develop, but that may have been my mistake altogether."  If you thought that there is significant, as in days or months, to develop an article after it is in article space, that was your good-faith mistake.  There is significant time to develop an article with reviews while the article is in user space or draft space.  If the intent is to improve the article gradually, over days or months, my advice is to move it into user space or draft space, which will moot the AFD, and to work on it, and then submit it for review via AFC.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:19, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I do see a few references in Indonesian media (not many, I admit) but just based on that it is a bit hard for me to judge precisely how notable this individual actually is. Also, I am not clear just yet on the degree of prestige of the award that he was given. Is this a big deal in Indonesia or not? The writing in the article was admittedly a bit weak, but was this because of poor English or because he really had nothing to say? I think these items should be taken into consideration but due to my lack of knowledge of the language, it may be better if we could find a few people who now the language to assess the merits a bit better.H.dryad (talk) 15:00, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Tell you what, could we maybe postpone this discussion and sent this article into draft space? If nothing happens there, then I have no objections to deletion, but I am finding a few things about this fellow. He has produced some documentaries it seems, which may or may not be notable, and he has a number of other awards to his credit. I'll try to add what I can and hopefully the author will be able to add some more information. As it stands now, it is not really an article, but it may be possible to fix this up into something worthwhile. If not, then it will be removed anyway and no harm done. My $0.02 anyway. Thanks for the attention. Cheers. H.dryad (talk) 17:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


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