Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carman (singer)


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The result was   speedy keep. Nomination has been withdrawn. Mgm|(talk) 11:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Carman (singer)

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Non-notable musician, only reference is the artist's homepage, and the article is written like a promotion and contains outright lies (whoever said that this guy was nominated for a Grammy doesn't know the difference between Carman and Carmen Electra). I predict this will be a no-brainer. SuaveArt (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shameless self-promotion of a plainly non-notable "entertainer". His album and TV show pages should be deleted as well. --Mkativerata (talk) 07:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Easy keep. This person appears to meet several of the WP:MUSICBIO criteria, where only one is required. He's had many charting albums, has had more than a dozen gold or platinum certifications, and as of 1995, he won six Dove Awards and two Billboard Awards for Christian Music Artist of the Year. Seems plenty notable to me.  Gongshow  Talk 08:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A rewrite could possibly work (if you add those refs you found), but the vast majority of the article will still have to be removed. If you'd like to rewrite it, then feel free and I'll have another look. Thanks.--SuaveArt (talk) 08:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that unreferenced, unverified material should be removed. In this case, the musician is clearly notable even though the article needs help, such as the addition of sources (I'll add the above sources to the article after this edit). Per WP:ATD, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion."  Gongshow  Talk 08:38, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 08:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Incredibly well-known Christian singer who is a constant fixture on the TBN family of networks. Can we please have some AfD's where nominators actually do some research, please? Could do with some hyperbole reduction certainly, but as always, AfD is not for cleanup.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 08:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I did a google search on "Carman grammy" and three Carmans popped up on the front page, none of which were this guy. He's definitely not well-known outside of his circle because I only heard about him today on a forum. This article has also been here for 2 years in it's current state (no refs and a lie about a Grammy nom), so I don't see how you can blame me for wanting to junk it. Personally I don't care as long as the spam and false info is gone.--SuaveArt (talk) 08:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nom withdraw - A user provided sources establishing notability, so we'll just remove the spam and keep the article.--SuaveArt (talk) 08:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.