Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmen Bozello y Guzmán


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Carmen Bozello y Guzmán

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Biography of a writer, which makes claims to passage of WP:AUTHOR but fails to reliably source them as accurate. The strongest notability claim here, that "scholars deem the work of Carmen Bozello y Guzmán culturally important", is completely unsourced, and the only other notability claim is that she received unnamed awards -- but not every award that exists is necessarily always notable enough to make its winners notable for winning it, so awards aren't notability makers if they aren't named and sourced. But there are just four footnotes here, all four of which are primary or unreliable sources, and there are zero sources that actually constitute proper or valid support for notability at all. I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with better access to archives of Spanish-language media from Puerto Rico is able to improve the sourcing, but none of the sources present here right now are acceptable and nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have better ones. Bearcat (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I find references to her as follows:


 * an entry in Caribbean writers : a bio-bibliographical-critical encyclopedia (1979) p. 667, which identifies her as born in Cuba and reads simply ""Bozello's one known play is of only historic interest"
 * the Bibliography of women writers from the Caribbean (1831-1986) (1989), p. 270, which includes her play (but, as a bibliography, doesn't give any details).
 * Sandra Messinger Cypess, "Women Dramatists of Puerto Rico" Revista/Review interamerican 9 (1979), 24-41 at p. 25 - as one of only three known female dramatists from 19th C Puerto Rico (along with María Bibiana Benítez and Carmen Hernández de Araujo [the latter, we really ought to have an article on, from the sound of things]), and says that one 19th C critic did not think the play was very good.
 * There is an entry in Historia crítica de un siglo de teatro puertorriqueño (1980), p. 170; I don't have access to this.
 * My sense is that this evidence shows that she is a minor figure, but nevertheless notable, as one of the first female dramatists in Puerto Rico. Whether her play was any good is not really material. I don't really have access to the Spanish sources that might have more information, but Cypess is drawing on them, so they must exist. Furius (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Furius's delving indicates the subject passes WP:ANYBIO (esp. see multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability). ——  Serial  12:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:ANYBIO as per multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Grandruskiy48 (talk) 17:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


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