Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmen Gray


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. - Bobet 00:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Carmen Gray
Fails WP:MUSIC, no reliable sources. Contested prod. MER-C 13:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Kristian Hägglund My sources are as follows: and  the second source is in finnish. I´m going to contact my friend Nicklas Nyman (who is the singer of the band) about the copyright issue shortly. I asked permission by him and i´ve got a mail to proove it but it´s in swedish.  They have a hit in Finland wich is 1;st on Nrj´s top 10 radio list NRJ top 10 list. --Hegge91 14:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable and/or vanity page.--MonkBirdDuke 03:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Please do not use the word vanity it is thought of as rude to some. (per WP:SPEEDY) Cbrown1023 22:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - notability issue 4.18GB 01:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mango juice talk 16:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - Doesn't quite meet the notability criteria. It might have a place on the relevent foreign language Wiki, but that's up to the editors over there. - b o b b y  16:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Ok. After further review, it seems the band qualifies for notability by: "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network."  After some research, it appears the station NRJ has a weekly audience of 65,000 (slightly greater than 1% of the population) which in my mind qualifies it as a national station.  Since one of the band's songs reached the top 10 list (source already cited) I have to assume that they were featured in the rotation.  I'm not sure if they meet any of the other criteria mentioned in TruthbringerToronto's below comment, but they only need the one to remain on Wikipedia. - b o b b y  18:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Keep Article has improved and now displays the notability of the subject. -- Kf4bdy talk contribs 17:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the record reviews count as "multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media", which is enough to say "keep". The NRJ Top 10 might mean that the band also passes "Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network" (if NRJ is a network) or "has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country." (if the NRJ chart counts as a national music chart, and if Finland qualifies as medium-sized) Is NJR a radio network? Is there a national chart service other than that of individual radio stations in Finland? Have they toured internationally? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. They seem to have made "their first international appearance" in Romania with Amorphis and HIM in July. NRJ is a national network and has a weekly reach of 750,000 .  Prolog 19:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Even as a Finn, I've never heard of the band, but I don't belong to the target audience and they seem to meet WP:MUSIC. One of their singles also went to number three in Finland, although disappeared after that. Prolog 19:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability assessed. Cbrown1023 22:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per TT. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep notable, verifiable. Tulkolahten 15:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.