Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmen Moreno de Aponte (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. I have given spa and inexperienced users less weight in evaluating arguments than established users. Alto, claims of sourcing were unsubstantiated despite a request for detail. Spartaz Humbug! 19:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Carmen Moreno de Aponte
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Hello. This article was deleted following an AfD on 5 May 2018, and it was recreated by the same user 20 days later. CSD G4 was rejected because "this new version has multiple references", but I do not see any mention of the subject in these references. The only source we have right now is an obituary in a very local newspaper. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Economics-related deletion discussions. Biwom (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete Same issues as the previous nomination. Fails WP:PROF and the obituary that is the only ref isn't sufficient. It should be noted that the only mention of the subject in the thesis is a dedication by actor Marco Aponte to his mother, and that WikiProject Venezuela in the Spanish Wikipedia has a list of almost 200 women biographies to create, among which this article is not included. --Jamez42 (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails GNG/BASIC. The obituary at Berkeleyside is not a reliable source that counts towards notability. Source no. 2 and no. 3 do not mention her. Source no. 4 is a thesis by her son, Marco Aponte, where she is mentioned, but the source is neither independent nor is the coverage significant. The article was created by an account with the username Marcoaponte, who also created Marco Aponte. Sam Sailor 17:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * A little off topic, but Marco Aponte should be evaluated too? A worry a little about possible conflict of interests. --Jamez42 (talk) 23:19, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I vetted the sources in Marco Aponte and nominated it for deletion. Likewise the closely related article Actors of the World, discussed at Articles for deletion/Actors of the World. Sam Sailor 07:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have created Carmen Moreno de Aponte's entry twice. The first time the article was recommended for deletion, so I included relevant references because I think it is important that the profile of prominent Latinos and other minorities in the United States appear on Wikipedia. Now the article is recommended for deletion again. I am not sure anymore what to do to keep it there. I think it is a bit unfortunate that in 2018 Wikipedia's editors are recommending the deletion of an article on a prominent woman of color in the United States. Especially when there are so many articles on Wikipedia of white men, whose lives were less significant than Carmen Moreno's. Unfortunately she made her career, and was a prominent figure in her home country, in the 1960s-1980s, before the internet, so sources are limited. I really hope the article will not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcoaponte (talk • contribs) 02:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)  — Note to closing admin: Marcoaponte (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * You said that Carmen was prominent and the article mentions she has held "several prominent leadership positions in the Venezuelan government". Which are they? Sources do not have to come from the Internet, if there's a book that mentions here accomplishments notability could be demonstrated. --Jamez42 (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * @Jamez42 As far as I know, if the articles and books that mention her are not published on the internet there is no way to list them as reference. Again, she held prominent positions in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. before the internet. If you know of a way for me to cite these articles and books, please let me know. I think her accomplishments deserve notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcoaponte (talk • contribs) 18:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * While editing, Wikipedia offers the option of "Book citation" in the "Cite" tab. It allows to include all the information of the book, including author, published and ISBN. In any case, the question remains, which are these prominent positions? --Jamez42 (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Just read the article and looked up references. Don't see a problem. 2601:644:400:52F7:6199:8521:E7E0:CAC7 (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC) — 2601:644:400:52F7:6199:8521:E7E0:CAC7 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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