Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Mann (artist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Carol Mann (artist)

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Non-notable watercolour artist. According to a previous PROD attempt "Watercolour society she belongs to can be joined by anyone for $35". The references do nothing to demonstrate notability. Google search suggests that she is very far from being the most notable person of her name. I'm not seeing anything relevant in Google News for a search on "Carol Mann", watercolor. DanielRigal (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. DanielRigal (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

the Sallie T. Griffin Memorial award for her work, "Treasured Tulips" in 2013 at the juried WSNC 68th Annual Exhibition in Blowing Rock, North Carolina. See here:. Also, Mann was awarded the East Carolina Wildfowl Guild Award for the her entry showing North Carolina wildlife, entitled Four Afloat in 2015 at the 51st Annual Fine Arts show at the Arts of the Pamlico gallery. See here: The artist is clearly notable for having won at least two awards that I found in the first three minutes of searching google. I have added these two awards to the article. It is most probable that the nominator did not observe WP:BEFORE Plus the first participants in this AFD discussion say #1 just seven minutes after nominator "Searches come up with nothing" and #2 blindly agrees with #1. Astonishing really. This article subject does pass WP:GNG if you do a proper search. Fouetté rond de jambe en tournant 03:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as clearly not notable. Searches come up with nothing, fails WP:GNG. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 00:13, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fieari (talk) 02:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep My one search on google certainly did not find nothing. In the first three minutes on google I found Carole Mann and articles showing two awards she had won for her paintings. First, she won
 * Delete. 1. Member of watercolour society that anyone can join for $35 USD. 2. Recipient of non-notable award run by the society anyone can join. 3. No mention in the real professional art world. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 05:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, you can get a custom Carol mann for only $150-$300 USD, according to this page provided as an external link. This is a really great deal for an artist considered notable by Wikipedia, when paintings by other notable artists on Wikipedia like Gerhard Richter are going for $15 million or more!HappyValleyEditor (talk) 05:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Observation This is an unrealistic requirement. If the fact that someone's work is not as expensive as Richter's were ever to become a standard by which we decide if an artist is notable, wikipedia would have to AfD all living European artists, except for Richter, since Richter's work appears to be the most expensive of any living European artist. Mduvekot (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Mduvekot.. that was humour. The point: notable artists are not generally offering custom original artwork for $150-300. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. trivial awards; notices of such awards do not serve to show notability  DGG ( talk ) 05:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as I also concur there's nothing particularly convincing from the information and sources to actually suggest the needed notability here. SwisterTwister   talk  06:20, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "Keep': Appears to be notable at a state level, adequate third-party recognition.  I also agree with  that the price of individual pieces of art from a living artist is not a terribly useful standard.  Awards and news coverage helps establish GNG and here I think it's met.   Montanabw (talk)  05:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment It is entirely reasonable to conclude that if an artist is selling custom paintings of their work for $150 to $300, as this one is, they are not a notable artist. Notable artists have demand for their work, which generates higher prices than the bargain basement price of $150-$300... for a custom work. One cannot determine a tipping point for price/notability, but it is undoubtedly a lot higher than $150-300. More importantly, this artist has not been validated by any siginificant independent external source (e.g. museums, critical reviews outside of small-town newspapers, art journals, collections, siginificant contribtion to the field of art etc.) as is required in WP:CREATIVE. This is an entirely non-notable artist, as anyone with professional experience in the artistic field would tell you in about half a second.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 02:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * From the requirement at WP:CREATIVE:
 * 1) The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. Nope
 * 2) The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique. Nope
 * 3) The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work.... Nope
 * 4) The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, Nope
 * 5) (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, Nope
 * 6) (c) has won significant critical attention, or Nope
 * 7) (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. NopeHappyValleyEditor (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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