Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol McGregor


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The result was Withdrawn nomination with no input from Wikipedia editors on whether to Keep or Delete. A non-admin closure. Capt. Milokan (talk) 22:17, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Carol McGregor

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GNG fail and WP:ARTIST fail. Four sources, most of which do not appear to be independent RS. I cannot find any more than that in a search. I did see event announcements, talks, interviews and the like, but those are not enough in terms of independent recognition in reliable sources. I'll be happy if someone can prove me wrong. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn, see comment below.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment I partially disagree with the nominator that the sources "do not appear to be independent RS". At the time of nomination, there were four sources, two of them problematic:
 * http://www.carolmcgregor.com.au (the subject, clearly WP:PRIMARY)
 * https://www.griffith.edu.au/art-museum (does not mention the subject, but she is listed as a Higher Degree Research candidate at https://www.griffith.edu.au/centre-creative-arts-research/our-researchers, so there is a connection.
 * https://ima.org.au/exhibitions/the-commute/ The Institute of Modern Art used visiting curators to organize the exhibition. There is no close affiliation between the artists and the institute other than that they showed her work.
 * http://www.portrait.gov.au/content/so-fine-2018/ The National Portrait Gallery similarly is a museum that makes its curatorial decisions independently, something that is implicitly recognized in WP:NARTIST. https://www.portrait.gov.au/content/so-fine-carol-mcgregor, a statement by the artist, is a primary source. That still doesn't mean it can't be used. Policy, per WP:PRIMARY is that "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them." Vexations (talk) 13:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment from a different angle, it appears her work is in two public collections. Kluge-Ruhe Aboriginal Art Collection clearly satisfies the requirements. I don't know enough about Australian art organizations to make the call on the other one, but given that they are a public institution and have a permamenent collection, I am leaning towards accepting it as satisfying 4(d) --Theredproject (talk) 13:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have been looking for sources and adding some, as well as looking for collections which hold her work. I may be able to add some quotes from reviews, although there are some I don't have access to (on ProQuest). The Commute exhibition at the Institute of Modern Art, Brisbane, is of works commissioned from the artists - whether that means the works will become part of the permanent collection of IMA, I don't know. I think that she is close to meeting WP:NARTIST, though that's not completely clear yet. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn I didn't mean for this to be a cleanup, but it has been, and that is good. References have been found and added, and the two collections do seem to mean she meets WP:ARTIST. I still think there is little in terms of truly independent coverage, but she seems to meet notability on other grounds. (One thing I want to remark on, and this is not applicable to the article at hand, was the use of indigenous art collections as notability criteria. This is fine for contemporary living artists, but it immediately struck me that many museum collections are full of stolen aboriginal art! Again, not related to contemporary living artists and the article at hand, but interesting given the history of (often forced) appropriation in that area.)ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


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