Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Vitale


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Carol Vitale

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Being a Playboy playmate does not make you notable. Being chosen Playmate of the Month or Playmate of the Year is not an award: It's a strategic commercial decision made by Playboy Corporation about how to better commercialize it products. Regardless of how much some Wikipedians love Playmates, we should write articles about them only when they were covered by independent third part sources. Also, texts solely related to their playmatehood are not the kind non-trivial coverage asked by the general notability criteria. Damiens .rf 01:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete This should have been done after consensus determined Playmate-hood's non-notability. Other projects can cover this material, Wikipedia consensus has determined that Wikipedia is not that project. Should sourcing and claim of notability sufficient for Wikipedia later be found, the article can be re-started. Do NOT redirect. Redirecting non-notable articles to Listings of a subject which has been found to be non-notable is absurd. Playmate-hood, being inherently non-notable, does not prop up this article, nor can it prop up a List of playmates. Redirecting to non-notable lists only makes work for Admins who will have to delete these redirects later. Also, significantly, this is an inadequately-sourced BLP in a controversial area. Dekkappai (talk) 19:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep - The use of automated tools for mass deletions should not be allowed against large blocks of articles which have already been patrolled at New Pages. It is, simply put, a violation of WP:BEFORE — due diligence is not being done when these tools are being used in this way. "Shoot them all and let the saps at AfD sort them out," is apparently the line of thinking. While I am personally sympathetic to the idea of a very high bar for so-called "Porn Bios," this blasting of 100 articles at the rate of 1 per minute, judging from the time logs, is not conducive to the spirit or practice of AfD. It is putting WP:I DON'T LIKE IT ahead of the established article deletion process and is disrespectful both to the work of article creators and those of us who volunteer our time at AfD. We have seen similar automated mass annihilation efforts recently against modern Trotskyist political organizations and against fraternities and sororities. The net result of these efforts was a lot of lost time by article creators and AfD participants and a lot of lost information from those articles annihilated as part of these campaigns. Meanwhile, the backlog of crap at New Pages festers. Something needs to be done about this problem. Mine is not a unique view — see ANI at ANI. We need to keep them all as a matter of principle and ban the future use of automated tools in this way. This argument will be copied-and-pasted in the debate sections for all automated AfDs of this campaign. Carrite (talk) 14:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This one is a close case, but she seems to have picked up just enough coverage over the years to justify a separate article. If I remember right (and I can't track it down) she was also involved in a relatively important free speech case many years ago, where somebody used her image to rather mercilessly ridicule/satirize Playboy's self-promotion, and she unsuccessfully claimed to have been damaged/slandered/whatever. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - I have searched for reliable sources writing about her and failed. One (or possibly a few) very minor TV appearances, off camera job in a few other episodes, talk show on limited reach radio station for a short while; none of this leads me to believe that there will be significant coverage of her. All we have (except for the playboy links) is an obituary which is hardly sufficient - Peripitus (Talk) 00:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. HW has strict standards, and if he says a playmate is notable under his standards, he's never been wrong in any AfD that I've seen.--Milowent • talkblp-r  13:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep Nomination was made in violation of a still active topic ban . Monty  845  03:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - lacks the significant reliable coverage to meet notability standards. TerriersFan (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.