Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Wagner


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The result was keep. An assistant bishop is still a bishop, and the general consensus seems to be that they are notable (WP:CLERGY). Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Carol Wagner

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Non notable assistant to a bishop. News coverage in local papers as is normal for such positions. Nothing substantial or indepth in any RS MistyGraceWhite (talk) 14:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Strong Keep - there seems to be a general consensus on Wikipedia that bishops in the Anglican Communion are notable (see: WikiProject Religion/Notability guide and Articles for deletion/Common outcomes). It seems that just about every bishop (diocesan and assistant/suffragan) in Australia already has their own page. Female bishops in Australia are even rarer. Wagner has been in the role for less than 2 months, so sources will be less than for others who have been there for a lot longer, but the sources in the article (particularly the Canberra Times article, which is a capital city masthead) already show there is more than "routine" coverage. Deus et lex (talk) 02:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep as passes WP:NBISHOP and I thinkWP:GNG too. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:Deus et lex and User:DiamondRemley39 I forgot to write assistant while nominating. She is not a Bishop, just an assistant. I was trying to get my head around why anyone whould quote WP:BISHOP for a mere assistant bishop, then saw that I had not written the nomination correctly. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 08:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - She is a bishop, not an "assistant to a bishop". The Anglican Communion recognises only deacon, priest and bishop. There is no halfway. Assistant bishop denotes their role within a Diocese rather than their status - rather than running the diocese (the "diocesan bishop"), they hold a particular episcopal responsibility within it (some dioceses divide responsibility into regions, others (like Canberra-Goulburn here) give their assistants responsibility over the whole of the diocese but in particular areas.  Deus et lex (talk) 10:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You may have been confused that I linked to the bishop naming conventioms rather than the notability standard; I have corrected the error. I am not Anglican/Episcopalian, but clicking on the Wikilink, it starts "An assistant bishop in the Anglican Communion is a bishop..." And I see nothing exclusionary of assistant bishops in the bishop notability guideline. She is not "just an assistant" in the sense of sending faxes and making coffee, which is how your latest statement reads. She is in a named leadership position in a formerly and probably still patriarchical Christian denominaton. Does that help you "get your head around" my rationale and vote? I wrote before that she meets WP:GNG and my vote would be no different even if there were not the bishop crtieria. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 10:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Anglican bishops are notable. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


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