Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carola Insolera


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The result was keep. Consensus is that the sources provided establish notability. (non-admin closure)  J 947  19:26, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Carola Insolera

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Does not appear to meet WP:NMODEL. I was unable to find any in-depth coverage of this person from independent sources (in other words, not interviews or stories about the clothing that she has modeled). Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 17:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * I am afraid you overlooked the biggest Italian newspaper's article, La Repubblica http://d.repubblica.it/moda/2017/02/21/news/carola_insolera_modella_sorda_sfilate-3431564/ please check google translation. Magise (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * That source is an interview, which means it isn't independent of the subject of the article. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK


 * Do you mean you need any article that talks about her without interviewing her? Something like this one http://www.vous.hu/hir/20170212-siket-modell-rendezo-sign-gene-carola-insolera ? Am I missing some links? Magise (talk) 23:45, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In accordance to the WP:NMODEL, Carola

1. Has been working for numerous brands and campaigns 2. Has a significant "cult" following 3. Has made unique and innovative contributions to the fashion industry: again, his model is a native visual communicator (she only uses the visual language since birth). She does not use interpreters at all when working and this is mind blowing for many professionals. Her purpose is to have a direct contact with the photographers and the team so she can welcome all of them to her visual world. That's where the artistic chemistry starts. Lastly, 'thanks' to the deafness, like she states, she will just express limitless visually next to the camera. Results are outstanding. Her deafness is indeed a plus to her, one of her main assets. This is obviously a very new concept. A very inspiring approach. Here we are not talking about amateur models but professional ones. This is undoubtedly an unique contribution in the field of the fashion industry.

In few words, there are two worlds: sound world and visual world. She is the only model, ambassador of the visual world that invites the professionals to explore her world. This scientific concept should not be undervalued. There have been various articles about her, mostly just printed. Am I still missing something? Magise (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2017 (UTC)



Apart the uncountable links about her modelling work here are a some works that are independent from the subject

http://www.acm5.com/vgs/1_tegnspraak/materiell/webhefte13/kopioriginaler/progr_kult_dager_04.pdf here it is a program of the show where she was an actress for ”Den fortapte sønn” Carola “Wisny”, it was her last name before meeting his husband.

http://www.ndhs.no/wp-content/uploads/dt/DT2007-7.pdf Carola Wisny in the role of a princess for a TV series

http://marinabrenere.com/moments/

Advices? Magise (talk) 12:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Also please check she working for various TV series at http://www.dovesmediatv.no (just log in, search "carola wisny" and you will find a bunch of her work from there)

Lastly, another article independent from the subject http://www.corriere.it/reportage/cultura/2014/i-miei-suoni-senza-voce-la-storia-di-christine-sun-kim-2/ Magise (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Just one small point for OP, but...an interview "not being independent" for the purposes of using information from it, is not exactly the same as "not being independent" for the purposes of determining notability. I know nothing about this person or this paper, but if large established publications are putting out full interviews with an individual, that is a perfectly acceptable argument in favor of notability. Timothy Joseph Wood  16:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with Timothyjosephwood. I believe this article should not be deleted. DennisPietras (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - The references include unreliable sources such as YouTube and Instagram. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:10, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I just added more links. As for Robert McClenon's comment, we can alwaus delete the two Youtube links and the Instagram one if we have to. Rest of the sources are however very reliable ones. I agree with : and : the article includes sufficient sources therefore it should "not" be deleted. Magise (talk) 11:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - I worked on the article some, and removed some of the promotional language, which is of course is neither here nor there for the purposes of notability. There seems to be dozens of news sources available, but there's almost nothing in English, so not much I can do with that personally. Because of that, it is concerning that there doesn't seem to be a corresponding article on any of the foreign language projects, although it looks like there was an article on it.wiki but it was speedy deleted for being promotional, which is of course a criteria based on article content and not notability.


 * IMDB (I know...don't lecture me) lists two films she was apparently in, but I can't find anything on them really at all, although again that may be a language issue. There may be other sources available using her maiden name, but I didn't find much other than this, which is trivial mention and so doesn't help notability. But overall, I think this one's pretty borderline as it currently stands. Timothy Joseph Wood  14:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Here it is what I just found, BBC links: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011m05c and http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011lby5 Carola on BBC for "Ways of Talking" (link from IMDB). I just added them Magise (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Both links give a "content not available on this device" error, which I assume, since I'm on PC, means the link is either wrong or I'm in the wrong country. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:08, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your continued collaboration. Here it is another one, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011mlks or

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p011ws9f.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/clips/zqc6rdm&h=360&w=640&tbnid=bWMMDuF0gZMAiM&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&usg=__2En7DD2XfBM4OHI96LjWidvikss=&docid=phRwycXHDT4fJM#h=360&imgrc=bWMMDuF0gZMAiM:&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&w=640

Still image is an enough proof that it is Carola and plus she has been credited on IMDB. Same here, player is not working. BBC must have its own reason, monetary related  Magise (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the enthusiasm, but a broken link doesn't really do anything as far as establishing notability goes. Timothy Joseph Wood  19:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I have been adding many new links today. It looks good now. Magise (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to allow assessment of sources provided

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nördic   Nightfury  11:47, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Keep - This article stays. 212.67.117.30 (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Keep - This one is worth saving. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 21:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


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