Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Heldman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seems like BLP1E applies here and no other sources of notability exist - WP:PROF apparently not met and the claims of notability by Onetwothreeip aren't supported by anything. Whether a topic about the event rather than the person would be adequate was not decided here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:30, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Caroline Heldman

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Subject only in the news as an accuser of several Fox News personalities of sexual harassment, not notable otherwise. Should not have an article per guide at WP:BLP1E and per WP:Victim. TheValeyard (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment As the creator WP:BLP1E was considered but subject is claiming sexual harassment from a multitude of alleged offenders including several men unrelated to Fox News, thus negating being known for one event, as well as the coverage she has received as an activist for fighting against sexual assault and as a political commentator for Fox from 2008-2011, those are the other prongs of the article, all combined to establish subject's notability. Will continue to add to the page as it's in the infant stage and invite the WP populous to decide if article passes WP muster in it's present state and as it progresses over the next seven days. Final, as the creator of the article, will not be voting in the AfD process and will instead recuse myself for neutrality purposes. All the best and happy voting....Cllgbksr (talk) 23:12, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Bueller 007 (talk) 23:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:04, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Notability extends beyond sexual harassment allegations, and is very typical of small existing articles of public intellectuals. Requires clean-up. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course you will be providing proof of this assertion, yes? TheValeyard (talk) 21:53, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. North America1000 00:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Off to a good start as a commentator on pop-politics, but GS h-index of 10 shows WP:Too soon to pass WP:Prof. The remainder about media squabbles is WP:BLP1E. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC).
 * Weak Delete. Nothing out there (or in the article) to indicate she is notable as an academic. Of her activities as a political commentator and activist/self-publicist I'm not sure - searching "Caroline Heldman" + "O'Reilly Factor" indicates what she said on it sometimes generated attention. There might be sources there to indicate notability - but if that area is going to be explored for content the article is going to have to start to contain opinions others have expressed about Heldman and her actions (many are not flattering). The repetitive single-issue nature of the article's content as it currently stands is faintly ridiculous, suggesting professional victim - though doubtless the subject would "push back against" that assertion. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I had a search through the "Caroline Heldman" + "O'Reilly Factor" results, ignoring anything after March 2017. I don't see anything notable arising from her contributions. It is mostly non-RS blogs railing against her or her opinions - she seems to have been there just to be a talking head to give opinions that the producers know will rile up a large segment of the sort of dismal audience that watches the show. It's basically garbage media presented by garbage (O'Rielly) and with guest commentators who, if they are there to be anything other than garbage fans, know they are there just for the money. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Fails WP:PROF and WP:VICTIM and is currently a WP:BLP1E. - GretLomborg (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Closer, based on the delete votes to one keep, as the creator I have no issue with early closure of the AfD process, article can be incubated in draft form in user-space, until such time it can be further developed. Cllgbksr (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply not enough in-depth coverage, outside the 1Event, to show they pass WP:GNG. At best a case of WP:TOOSOON.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


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