Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Killeen (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. Notability appears to be evident from archive news material, rather than readily available online material. Clear consensus for the article to remain. (non-admin closure) Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Caroline Killeen
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Killeen was a totally irrelevant and non-notable activist and politician. The coverage we have is a lot more about the activities she was supporting than about her. She clearly and completely fails our notability guidelines for political candidates, by miles, yet she was kept in the past because we used to have such poor inclusion controls. When someone receives 11 votes in a mayoral election in a city with over 330,000 residents, they are clearly and completely not notable John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - Newspapers.com is bringing up a lot of hits nationally and internationally. Seems to have verifiable coverage in reliable sources. Whether the coverage is deep or trivial requires further examination. Netherzone (talk) 18:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Going back as far as she does, it seems likely that some material won't be online. The most promising thing I've seen so far is this article in the Boston Globe, though I don't have access to it. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The Boston Globe article is an in-depth profile, starting with "It was tough to ignore the Hemp Lady, a.k.a. Caroline Killeen, during the 1996 New Hampshire primary: a 70-year-old cycling ex-nun who wore a giant marijuana leaf across her chest like a superhero's badge," and noting she was part of ""Why Can't I Be President?" — a documentary for PBS stations that focused on the fringe candidates in New Hampshire," and that "High Times, the pro-marijuana magazine, named Killeen its "Freedom Fighter of the Month" in June 1996," and "Before embracing hemp, she staged numerous long-distance bicycle rides over the years for political and environmental causes, urging onlookers to "Killeen Up The Earth," and "During multiple elections, Killeen gave away pieces of clothesline ("solar dryers") and talked about energy savings from hanging your clothes out in the sun versus using electric appliances. One of those "solar dryers" is now in a filing cabinet at the New Hampshire secretary of state's office, preserved as political memorabilia instead of living out its destiny holding wet laundry." Based on this source, it looks like there is WP:BASIC notability supporting keep, because it seems likely that additional sources exist. Beccaynr (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per Beccaynr and WP:BASIC. pburka (talk) 22:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BASIC/WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources. The following are a few quality references I found with a Newspapers.com search, along with many more that were available:


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 * Keep - per excellent research work of the editors above. Meets WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. The article can be improved, but should not be deleted. Netherzone (talk) 23:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Beccaynr (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: As said, there are many articles about her. A newspapers.com search shows 1,126 results for her name, including large profiles. Although  states that "When someone receives 11 votes in a mayoral election in a city with over 330,000 residents, they are clearly and completely not notable," this misses the point; Kanye West didn't clear 0.5% in any state in which he ran for president, but we would hardly call him "clearly and completely not notable." --Usernameunique (talk) 00:49, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean, Kanye West is still notable outside of his presidential run. Not entirely the same thing-- Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , exactly: his claim to notability does not hinge on his presidential run. If anything, it works the other way around—his presidential run (and Killeen's mayoral run) are only worth noting because of the notability of their subjects. --Usernameunique (talk) 03:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems to have SIGCOV, previous arguments have already displayed full passage of WP:BASIC.-- Kieran207 ( talk - Contribs ) 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I added a bit to the article with reference news coverage. Plenty of coverage of her found already.  The media has covered her over a considerable amount of time for various things.   D r e a m Focus  03:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Beccaynr and MarkZusab's sources. I get zero news hits myself (presumably per the explanation given by Rhododendrites above), so I have trust the results given above are sufficient to improve the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


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