Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Mason (finance)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Caroline Mason (finance)

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a good deal of pr, written entirely in PR-talk " a new strategy for the charity " "continued her involvement with social investing" and work for various groups, but with no specific notability.

Being member of a Board is not notability, and generaly not even worth mentioning in an article.  DGG ( talk ) 05:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I think this article should be kept. There are two issues here. 1. Is Caroline Mason notable? 2. Is the page written appropriately?
 * To address notability first. I think that the award of CBE indicates significance. The UKGov site says that Commander of the Order of the British Empire is awarded to people who have made a distinguished, innovative contribution to any area or are leaders in national or regional life in the UK. This award is recommended by a Cabinet Office committee of the UK government after reports. Wikipedia says the number is limited to 8,960 people (although I can't see that number on the source given; it certainly is not a lot of people compared with the UK population (about 67 million)). I would argue that award of CBE indicates notability supported by good evidence. This type of well-known award is specifically included in the Wikipedia list of notability criteria (The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times.), although is not conclusive proof. I like Caroline Mason's inclusion in the BBC Radio 4 Woman's Hour Power list 2020 because this annual list (of 30 people in 2020) is a second award but from very different judges and relates to women who have made a significant contribution to sustainability or the environment. The award is from an organisation generally considered to be a reliable souce of information. Together with articles in reliable newspapers like the Independent and Guardian, I think that there is a very strong case that she is notable.
 * The second question is to consider whether the page is written appropriately. Obviously, writing style and content for a notable person can be changed until there is a consensus that it is satisfactory. Of course, I thought that my first go at the page was appropriate, but I understand your comments. It is always good to have a second opinion. I notice that it is OK to change the text while deletion is being considered. I have therefore removed the phrases you indicated were PR-talk. Do you have any further advice on style or content?--MerielGJones (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note The references used here arealmostthe same as for [Esmée Fairbairn Foundation]], an even more promotional  article.   DGG ( talk ) 18:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Recipient of the CBE, which has always been considered to qualify for WP:ANYBIO #1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per above, and trim. Artw (talk) 18:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Artw and Necrothesp. – Cupper 52 Discuss! December 2020-present
 * Keep, as recipients of CBE almost always are kept.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


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