Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carolyn Nelson Sargent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Joseph Sargent. This was a pretty tough call, but after considering the different opinions, it seems that the sources do not sufficiently establish notability, so the consensus was to delete. Redirecting as a possible search term. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Carolyn Nelson Sargent

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Notability asserted (i.e. "she is notable for...") but not really demonstrated. Actress with a few bit parts to her credit, but never really made it. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete As the nominator stated, she does not appear to have had any significant roles although she had many bit parts as Carolyn Nelson. I don't see any in-depth coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Drawn Some (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wife of Joseph Sargent. Has played only bit parts, all but two of them with her husband as director. I'm not certain that makes her non-noteworthy, but her mention at the end of her husband's article seems like it could be enough already. Hairhorn (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe the answer would be to merge & redirect to his article then. I saw him mentioned in her article but didn't get that most of her bit roles were under him as director. Drawn Some (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * - I got that factoid from her Star Trek wiki entry: Hairhorn (talk) 22:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not gong to criticize a Star Trek Wiki as a source because I didn't find much more than IMDB. Drawn Some (talk) 22:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep And the deletion discussion takes a surprise turn! Search for "Carolyn Sargent": It seems she has (a) founded Free Arts for Abused Children, and this is documented in "Married, With Children and Moving On", Los Angeles Times, Oct 19, 1997, and two other articles:   She also helped found Deaf West Theater.  This seems notable, as both are highly notable organizations.  Cazort (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, did you check your newspaper articles? They're not about her, they're about other people, the actress who played Peg Bundy from Married With Children and Jody Foster.  And the two organization websites aren't reliable resources if she's affiliated with them. Drawn Some (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that most of the articles are not written specifically about her. But they DO independently verify that she did found the one non-profit, and played a role in the founding of the other.  And a quick search will show a large amount of coverage for both non-profits.  That seems notable to me, even if it results in only a small article.  Cazort (talk) 02:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * wait, question, are you saying there is another actress by the same name? Cazort (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Drawn Some -the source is not the show "Married with Children", The article is LA Times "Married, With Children and Moving On", Los Angeles Times, Oct 19, 1997. and to Cazort, there are wrong facts you might want to check out: read the following I just typed in "Please note that I am just trying to get correct information on "Carolyn Nelson Sargent". We tried to change things yesterday and ended up deleting what was already in wikipedia. I am new to this...very very new, and then the wrong Carolyn Nelson still keeps appearing in different areas of wikipedia. For instance look under "The Deadly Years" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deadly_Years "Carolyn Nelson" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Nelson Here she is listed as cast, but it goes to Carolyn Nelson a politician. This was noted by a few people, including, Joseph Sargent, many time Emmy winning director, her husband is current Jury President and was a bit surprised to find out from a reporter that it appeared he was married to Carolyn Nelson a politician from North Dakota. I am not trying to do anything wrong here just correct some facts. I am hoping that we can add the correct information on Carolyn Nelson Sargent that is presently under consideration for deletion. Then possible correct the sections such as "The Deadly Years" that brings up the wrong Carolyn Nelson, Carolyn Nelson a politician. I would so appreciate your help on this. Thank you so much. Lasorgente (talk) 14:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasorgente (talk • contribs)  — Lasorgente (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The facts have been corrected by correcting the various links in Wikipedia. A Carolyn Nelson disambiguation page has been created, and all internal Wikilinks that previously lead to Carolyn Nelson have been updated to point to either Carolyn Nelson (politician) or Carolyn Nelson Sargent.  However, this does not address the inherent notability issues with the Carolyn Nelson Sargent article.  If the article is deleted, the links that have been updated will become red-links.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I did not do the research on LA Times, "Married, with Children and Moving on"..that was provided by someone else in this discussion. What I can provide later today is other articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasorgente (talk • contribs) 14:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)  — Lasorgente (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

-Thank you for correcting that. -Regarding notability issues for Carolyn Nelson Sargent: FREE ARTS CLINIC:- I can note many articles that are not on the internet at least as far as i can find, yet exisit in hard copy and possibly archived somewhere. I can however scan and pdf these articles if you would like. 1. Valley News Dec 7, 1980 "A House Built on Love"; ...It was built with Children in Mind-Children who are abused or neglected. ...The impetus behind all of this is the house's owner, Carolyn Sargent, wife of film director Joseph Sargent. As president of the Free Arts Clinic, a non-profit organization that helps abused children communicate wiht adults through art...." etc The Evening Outlook June 1, 1981, Current Living Section- pg A15 -Article Title: "Cliff-side clinic offers hope to abused kids" "...Malibu's Free Arts Clinic. "It has been my dream to build a house on the ocean and have it overrun with children who had never experienced the sea," explains FAC president Carolyn Nelson Sargent who with her husband Joseph, founded the clinic in 1977." etc goes the article. Santa Monica Messenger: A story to Touch Your Heart-"Carolyn and Joe Sargent...SIx years ago Carolyn began the Free Arts Clinic, dedicated to the idea that the arts could set you free, even if you'd had a mom who punished ...etc. "US Magazine Jan 17, 1983, "Miracles in Malibu" Full article on Founding of this project etc. DEAF WEST THEATRE: Ed Waterstreet Founder along with wife Linda Bouve-you can contact then for proof of Carolyn's helping to lay the groundwork and foundations for Deaf West, by going to Deaf West Theatre Website and contacting him. Carolyn's husband Joseph sargent is currently doing a documentary for DWT as well. Done may events, fundrisers etc. (also have articles on this-One is Malibu Surfside, 10/24/1991- Celebrity Haunt to AId New Deaf West Theatre, (at Carolyn's home) etc. MALIBU CITIHOOD: Malibu TImes- a sample article- Can't locate the date"A Night of Fright and Fantasy Benefits Cityhood Effort"-...at the Sargents estate where the Mailbu Committee for Incorportion Fundraisers, events were put on. (if you need more info I will research files) Thank you again. (I have more articles on FAC, etc if you need further proof and notability, please advise)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasorgente (talk • contribs) 19:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * NOTE The information from the article has been posted to User:Lasorgente even though it is user space. Drawn Some (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


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