Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carpathian Basin Rovas


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Carpathian Basin Rovas
The result was delete. Angr (talk) 08:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


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This article is one of a series of Original Research articles being promoted by the user who created this article. Note that the source documents include a new 2011 publication by Gábor Hosszú along with a proposal to encode the Old Hungarian script by the same author. The existence of the script "Carpathian Basin Rovas" is not established in the literature, nor is the "Kazarian Rovas" fictions. See the user's many contributions on this at: -- Evertype·✆ 20:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete -- all searches for "Carpathian Basin Rovas" seem to lead back to Gábor Hosszú, who appears to be the author of this article. "Carpathian Basin Rovas" is not an accepted script, and its existence as a separate entity is not supported by any reliable sources. BabelStone (talk) 22:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 02:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Restore -- To Evertype and BabeStone: Not being aware of something does not mean its non-existence. As the reliable academic sources backing Dr. Gábor Hosszú are mostly in "carpathian Basin" languages - eg. Hungarian -, non-speakers of this language do have seroius handicap. But this fact is not explanation for promoting (through vandalism) the erronous "Old Hungarian" or "Hungarian Runic" theories leading back to Michael Everson and his supporters. To: Dougweller: Do not sockpuppet me again! --Rovasinfo (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC) — Rovasinfo (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Response: Click on Find Sources above. You will get 41 hits all of which are based on the same self-published research. From a scientific standpoint, Revised proposal for encoding the Carpathian Basin Rovas script in the SMP of the UCS does not offer any credible evidence for "accepting" the "theory" that the "Carpathian Basin" "script" existed. From the standpoint of the Wikipedia, it is not in any way notable. From the standpoint of the history of writing systems, my opinion is that it is either a fiction, devised in order to give a pretended antiquity to Old Hungarian (which is old and respectable enough), or it is just the result of inadequate scholarship. -- Evertype·✆ 12:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete -- appears to only be a self-promotional article about a work of original research. Vanisaac (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm more inclined to take this article from an anthropology journal as an assessment of this invented script and associated invented history, than the publications which have been spammed by the author and his fellow enthusiasts. Extract:


 * "Hungarian rune-writing enthusiasts are a self-selecting group with a distinct nationalist ideology emphasizing autochthony and antiquity. They promote a national myth through popular cultural products, propaganda tracts, and even a semi-scholarly journal. Their social composition resembles those of other modern nationalist movements; they even have their own diaspora in North America. Hungarian rune-writers invent traditions and imagine communities..."
 * - Maxwell, Alexander. "Contemporary Hungarian Rune-Writing: Ideological Linguistic Nationalism within a Homogenous Nation", Anthropos, 99: 2004, pp. 161-175
 * Ironically, the movement itself is potentially notable enough for its own article, as long as its ideas are not presented as fact. Voceditenore (talk) 09:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Why you cite an article, which is totally unrelated to my works? My work is building these Rovas-related Wikipedia articles based on acknowledged scholars. Please, re-consider your position. Thanks. -Rovasscript (talk) 15:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as OR and intrinsically non-neutral. bobrayner (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Do not delete since this article collects valuable scientific results of officially acknowledged scholars. The existence of the Carpathian Basin Rovas inscriptions is a well-known fact in the Paleography. Please, consider that this article does not violate any rule of the Wikipedia. Thanks. -Rovasscript (talk) 15:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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