Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carré d'As IV


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The result was   keep. Discussion to merge should take place at the article's talk page. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Carré d'As IV
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Although I do not believe the article breaks any guideline or policy I am concerned that the ship has no notability outside the context of its hijacking and recapture. Since that is covered in its own article, September 16, 2008 incident off Somalia, I do not believe a separate article for the ship is warranted. Unlike many other ships hijacked by Somali pirates, which have their own articles, this boat is a small private yacht that takes about 2 people. I would like to refer to a recent AFD: Articles for deletion/Tanit (yacht). Similar type of boat, same claim to notability, and with an article already covering what the boat was notable for. The result of that AFD concluded that the ship was not notable enough for its own article (it was the process of merging that led me to the Carré d'As IV article). Plus, the information on the article is a duplication of information found on the action article, so the ship article offers nothing new that the action article doesn't. Cordovao (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep This yacht is as notable as MY Le Ponant, another French yacht which was hijacked by Somali pirates and in which French forces intervened. I suspect someone does not want it known that private yachts are being attacked and captured by pirates. The naming convention mentioned above is awkward, and probably should be changed, as it makes searching for the incident difficult.  There is no rule stating that there can not be two articles mentioning the same subject, and as mentioned above, the article does not break any guideline or policy. Pustelnik (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the scale of MY Le Ponant (a 67 passenger, 32 cabin, commercial boat) is sufficiently big for enough notability for its own article, compared to the 2 people private yacht. "There is no rule stating that there can not be two articles mentioning the same subject"; I think common sense is enough.  As for the naming convention of the action article, I do not see how that is relevant to this discussion.  Plus, the article on the yacht can always be redirected to the article on the action.  The article on the yacht does not indeed break any guidelines or policies, but like the article on the Tanit that was recently merged the Carré d'As IV has no notability outside of the events of September 16.  Regarding "I suspect someone does not want it known that private yachts are being attacked and captured by pirates", it is because an article is devoted to just that that I do not believe that the article on the yacht is necessary, especially when the yacht article says nothing about the yacht outside the context of the action, and everything on the article is repeated on the action article.  In my opinion, the article on the yacht isn't warranted or necessary.  Cordovao (talk) 18:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The yacht is notable as it has been hijacked. The name of the article is in accordance with other sailing ship articles - just the name, disambig by type if necessary. There are literally thousands of yachts worldwide, the vast majority of which will not be notable in WP terms but this is an exception. Mjroots (talk) 18:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree the yacht is notable for the hijacking, but that is covered at September 16, 2008 incident off Somalia. Apart from that the yacht isn't notable, in the same way the article on the Tanit was merged because it had no independent notability.  Cordovao (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Query Are the Achille Lauro and the Maersk Alabama notable other than through being hijacked? Other than in record books, do size and notability go hand in hand? Presumably, either the hijackings will go on, gradually removing notability from the action, or something will be done to stop them, which will introduce the Barbary factor. Barbary corsairs are remembered as a defunct body. Who remembers their victims? Peridon (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Achille Lauro was a cruise ship, and the Maersk Alabama is a major container ship. I think that makes them notable apart from involvement with pirates.  However, I do see your point, but whatever the line between size and notability I do not think a 2 person yacht is independently notable.  I don't think the actions themselves will become unnotable; Notability is not temporary.  What made them notable now should make them notable in however many years.  Cordovao (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's my point about the Barbary factor... Peridon (talk) 19:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If the ship is only notable for being hijacked then why didn't you just try to get it redirected or merged? - Mgm|(talk) 12:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In retrospect, that probably would have been the best thing. Sorry.  Cordovao (talk) 14:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge such information about the ship itself as there is into September 16, 2008 incident off Somalia, as far as I can tell other than this all the article does is duplicate information found on the other page. shas T 13:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.