Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carrier Air Conditioner move to Mexico


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Carrier Air Conditioner move to Mexico

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An extraordinary WP:POVFORK. Violates every letter of WP:NOTESSAY, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTSOAPBOX. On a sidenote, I think we should be able to speedily delete these sort of essays rather than allow people to have a seven day soapbox AusLondonder (talk) 08:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I created this article and I see it as an interesting, short article about viral video that became a poster child in the Presidential primary campaigns of both Trump and Sanders, who used the Carrier move to Mexico to talk about the economic plight of the middle class as a consequence of offshoring manufacturing. Probably as a consequence of the use by these 2 Presidential candidates, a number of journalists and analysts have used the Carrier move in this same way, as a poster child to discuss the impact of moving jobs abroad on American workers, and as poster child for discussion/analysis of what the consequences of Trumps proposed 35% import duty would be. (Full disclosure: I have a GE air conditioner.) E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Similar articles I have created during this campaign: America (advertisement), and Act of Love (political statement and advertisement).E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete or merge/redirect to Carrier Corporation. There is no reason why content related to this example of outsourcing could not be included in the corporation's page. Neutralitytalk 18:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Coverage of the video and its use by the Sanders and Trump campaigns on the corporations page could be WP:UNDUE in an article on the company.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * WP:HEY. Article has undergone substantive expansion, including events and significant media coverage post-dating this AFD nomination.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: It is surprising that this article is still up. As AusLondonder explained, it violates WP:NOTESSAY, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTSOAPBOX. Do we highlight the business decisions made by every company? The event has already been written about on the Carrier page and includes information about the Presidential involvement in the issue. While E.M. Gregory has revised the article and added more details - this does not make it any more legitimate as a Wikipedia article than did the original version. As Drm310 stated on the talk page of the article, it does not have enough enduring notability to merit a standalone article. Delete and let’s move on. CrayonCreations (talk) 09:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Move continues to make headlines, today's Financial Times here: .E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:39, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That is very much routine coverage of business news. Avon is moving its headquarters from the US to the UK. Where's the article? Can you show me any other similar article that has ever existed? AusLondonder (talk) 13:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Viral videos with political impact and pages of their own? I linked to 2 above, but see also: Death of Sandra Bland, 2011 Sindh Rangers shooting incident, Kony 2012, Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney, I Am a Ukrainian, there are many more, the political impact of viral videos is a reality.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You appeared to misunderstand my question. This article is presented as an article about a business decision, not a "viral video"; that only plays a part. I asked how many other articles exist about businesses moving some of their operations? AusLondonder (talk) 16:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not the only editor to tire of Auslander's BATTLEGROUND and WIKIHOUNDING.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * As lede states and sourcing affirms, subject is notable on 4 counts: 1.) as an offshoring that received far more than routine news coverage, due to, 2.) a viral video that attracted, 3.) attention Bernie Sanders, and even more attention form Donald Trump, which resulted in, 4.) financial and political journalists, economists, and political scientists discussing the Carrier move from Indianapolis to Mexico both as an example of offshoring and as a way to query the facts of Trump's assertions or impact of his tariff proposals.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


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