Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carson Lueders


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. On balance, the consensus seems to favor deletion over redirection or draftification. Liz Read! Talk! 05:56, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Carson Lueders

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Fails WP:MUSIC. No SIGCOV to justify inclusion per GNG. PK650 (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. PK650 (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Washington. Shellwood (talk) 08:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to show WP:GNG. Fade258 (talk) 12:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC) striking confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Chicken Girls: restore longstanding redirect to show where he had a main role. Subject does not meet WP:GNG. TJMSmith (talk) 04:03, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep There are numerous sources and references for this Notable Singer. Notability is something I notice. Also See Radio Disney Music Awards 2018: Complete List of Nominations, where he has been nominated "Favorite Social Music Artist". Also at - Nickelodeon Announces 2017 Kids’ Choice Awards Nominations: Favorite Viral Music Artist. Ahoj Ashu (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Would like to see opinions of some more experienced editors. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is notable and the article makes support for inclusion in Wikipedia. Awards &sources. IrishOsita (talk) 03:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, this is not a policy based argument. I agree he is notable on social media but this does not count toward the specific notability standards which state a subject has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the subject. I do not see any such sources and the award nominations do not meet WP:NMUSIC? Cheers MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. Probably WP:TOOSOON. Being signed to Def Jam is a good start but no notable releases as far as I can tell. The award nominations are not enough and I'm not seeing any SIGCOV in reliable sources.-KH-1 (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @KH-1 I agree with all that you said, but would you support a draftify? MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe. There doesn't seem to be any new projects in the pipeline, so I suspect we might be having this same discussion six months down the track.-KH-1 (talk) 07:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I've been not to relist 3 times but we are at an impasse between Delete, Keep, Redirect and Draftify. I'd rather not go down the Non Consensus road which typically means a quick trip back here to AFD. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Draftify - (changed to delete, after a lengthy thought I just cannot see this article being up to standard in six months) This is one of those cases where I was wanting to vote keep, but just could not make a policy based argument to do so. The reason for this is that I have certainly heard of this subject before and listened to their music. So I was very surprised to see that insufficient coverage exists for this subject to meet the notability criteria at WP:NMUSIC. There is coverage, it is not like the subjects name does not come up at all when Googled, however the coverage I could locate is examples like this, and I do not consider this or similar sources sufficiently established or prominent to meet reliability standards. There is an archived video on the net of the subject appearing on the view in 2013, and he has a substantial following in the millions on social media. It isn't the usual case of some totally unknown Spotify user having a fluff piece. Still, he does not meet the standards at NMUSIC for notability and so keep is not an option for me. However, giving his following is in the millions 3.1 on Instagram and he is actively producing music/being signed to reputable label/s, there is a chance the subject may meet the NMUSIC criteria within the near future, and so I see no harm in allowing the article to remain in incubation and see if further sourcing will be added during that time. MaxnaCarta (talk) 05:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Non-charting album and nominated in Radio Disney and Teen Choice Awards for social media/viral atist, minor awards in my opinion (below an Emmy or CMA or what have you). Otherwise it's just to promote his Youtube channel or whatever else he has going on. He signed with DefJam in 2019 and it appears nothing has happened in almost 3 years. Willing to forgive the pandemic years, but basically still zero new since then. Oaktree b (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A Gnews search brings up nothing recent, and even then, it's press releases from 2-3 years ago. Zero traction since then. Oaktree b (talk) 13:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I think you can discount both !keeps above, one being by a blocked editor, and one by an editor with 200 edits. PK650 (talk) 11:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The keep votes are made without proper application of policy. MaxnaCarta (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.