Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carta (publisher)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor Talk! 05:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Carta (publisher)

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Only reference to this publisher is a link to their own website. Does not appear to meet the requirements of any notability guideline. KDS 4444 Talk  03:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  04:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  04:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete for now perhaps actually as unless some Israeli sources are found, I found no better links other than passing mentions. Notifying who have some insight with this.  SwisterTwister   talk  07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. North America1000 07:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Worldcat clearly shows hey are the largest firm (indeed, the only significant firm) publishing maps of Israel., as listed  or {   See the left hand column, under author: the other names are government  or quasi-government agencies, Even when it is expanded, the other names are individual catogrhers, not publishers  individual cartoghers, not publishers. Similar results searching for individual cities.  DGG ( talk ) 15:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I love you, DGG, and I know you have a long and sincere history of involvement with Wikipedia, though I must tell you I so hate the word "clearly" (mostly 'cuz it disses the work of editors who have has the nerve to nominate things for deletion, which is hard enough without being called "clearly" wrong, yes?). The WorldCat results show that the Geological Survey of Israel/ the Ministry of Tourism is/ are major publishers of maps of Israel, and are much better known as such. That Carta exists does not qualify it as notable, no?   KDS 4444  Talk  06:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * what I said was that they were the largest firm, by which I meant, as I usually do, commercial firm. (I'm aware there's a UK usage otherwise, so I should not have omitted the adjective.) Nonetheless, in what I said, I did make the distinction, and clearly called them what they are: government or quasi-govenment agencies. Carta is based on the bibliographic record the only commercial map publisher in the country.  I don't want to be loved, I want to be read carefully.
 * You may perhaps rather want to say that being the only commercial map publisher in Israel is not notability, which is a different argument. Here, it's a matter of judgment what standard to use,, and I cannot prove that mine is right, not yours.  I consider notability as much as matter of common sense and the GNG in some fields, and publishing firms are among the organizations that cannot be properly judged by the GNG.  It would be possible to find reviews of their publications, though not from resources easily available to me.
 * I therefore judge by what I do have, which i find unequivocal: it is  a judgment I would be fully prepared to make on the evidence in a professional context if my reputation as a bibliographer depended on it, though in such a context I would probably add a few more words of context and limitation in the over-cautious way of academics. DGG ( talk ) 06:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, as per User:DGG. Comment: This is the publisher archaeologists, pastors, scholars, bird watchers, tour guides, hikers, naturalists and journalists depend on for maps that show everything from where Capernaum is (Luke 4:31-37) to exactly where the Green Line runs. Here is the blog of a non-notable pastor reviewing a Carta atlas: .  Here is the Biblical Archaeology Review reviewing 2 notable Carta atlasas:  .E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, also, click "what links here." It is very useful, when confronted with a reference on a page, to be able to click and discover whether it is to a reputable publisher, or not.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sourced Carta to Publishers Weekly, proving once again that if a topic is notable, sources do exist. More articles available in  a search on publishersweekly.com, and, undoubtedly, elsewhere.  Carta is hard to find in a general search, because it is such a common word,  but this sourcing should put to put any lingering doubts on User:Musa Raza's part.  Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Putting aside the incredible bad form of nominating an article for deletion within hours of its creation and while the editor who created it has put a tag on it, this company is notable and easily satisfies GNG. It is the principal publisher of geographic info (maps, atlases, digital maps) in Israel. It is used by government offices and authorities dealing with cartographic info as their official publisher. All of this in now in the article, with references to reputable academic publishers. As E.M.Gregory notes, there are over 50 other wikipedia articles that link to this. On the sister project of Hebrew Wikipeda, it has a detailed article which is nearly 10 Kbytes long (that's larger than the English Wikipedia's articles on Bantam Books, Doubleday (publisher) or Penguin Group. That should give deletionists with a trigger happy finger some reason for pause. Bad Dryer (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just so. The AFD was slapped onto a brand new page despite the active under construction tag. User:KDS4444, you best move is to withdraw the AFD, apologize on Bad Dryer's talk page, then follow John 8:11.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep article under construction obviously Appable (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Publisher in herpetology. Mirror360 (talk) 13:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Above user is a banned sockpuppet account, see investigation details. Appable (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


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