Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carteret Fire Department


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect to Carteret, New Jersey. BD2412 T 00:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Carteret Fire Department

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Non-notable fire department with no reliable third party sources to warrant any notoriety. Maybe a merge or redirect to Carteret, New Jersey. Tinton5 (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I find this nomination puzzling, with its assertion that "no reliable third party sources" were available. Surely the New Yorks Times article, which devotes hundreds of words to the Carteret Fire Department is a reliable source?  I suspect nominator meant to imply the two references to Carteret itself are not reliable - which would really only be appropriate if they were cited to substantantiate something controversial - not that Carteret hired its first firefighter in 1800.
 * I think there is a fundamental issue the nomination overlooks. If the only readers who wanted to read about Carteret Fire Department really only wanted to read about the Borough of Carteret the merge nominator suggests might make sense.  But we have readers who are mainly interested in Fire Departments, and have very little interest in the cities those Fire Departments serve.  For those readers covering Fire Departments in standalone articles makes sense.  We have readers, I am one of them, who have a particular interest in fireboats.  If there were sufficient references to substantiate Carteret's fireboat I would have started an article about it.
 * Further, I think the nominator overlooks a very serious issue. Navigating a wiki by clicking on links to relatively small articles that cover a single topic is far superior to scrolling around large omnibus articles that have had multiple topics stuffed into them. So, shoehorning multiple topics is almost never a good idea. You click on a link, and find the information there is not really what you were looking for, you can return where you came from by clicking on the back button.  This becomes second nature.  It doesn't require conscious thought.  Returning to a different section of an article that is really about multiple topics is distracting. It places a cognitive burden on readers.  Can't the reader search for the previous section?  Sadly, for decades, our stupid browsers only remember one search term at a time.  Busy readers will already have some other term they are looking for.  Geo Swan (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge / Selective Redirect to Carteret, New Jersey - The article, as it stands, is a collection of items about a series of incidents where the Carteret Fire Department responded or was involved. There are none of the in-depth references from reliable and verifiable sources needed to demonstrate notability. Some of the more material incidents should be included as part of a selective merge. Alansohn (talk) 01:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Carteret, New Jersey: the sources are alright but the material isn't enough for a standalone page. We certainly shouldn't be collecting lists of incidents which the department responded to, per WP:ROUTINE. Carteret, New Jersey could incorporate the previous two sources, a couple of sentences of history from  and the development . The sexual harassment claim is not well-sourced enough for us to include per WP:BLP, especially as it uniquely identifies a victim. — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. The sourcing is good, but like and, I don't see how it has enough independent notability to rate its own article. The main article is not that difficult to navigate. Bearian (talk) 02:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, less the incident log type contents. Graywalls (talk) 05:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge a slimmer version into Carteret, New Jersey as above. --Lockley (talk) 05:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.