Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caruso recordings (various articles)

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The result of the debate was Merge. Ral 315  00:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Set of articles on compilations of Caruso recordings

 * 20 arias de opera
 * 21 Favorite Arias
 * Caruso 2000
 * Caruso in Love
 * Caruso in Song
 * Caruso-A Legendary Performer*Complete Recordings Vol. 7
 * Complete Recordings Vol. 9
 * Complete Recordings Vol. 11
 * Complete Recordings Vol. 12*Enrico Caruso (album)
 * Enrico Caruso Vol. II
 * Enrico Caruso Vol. III
 * Greatest hits of Enrico Caruso Vol. 2
 * His Finest Performances (Caruso)
 * Memories of Caruso
 * The Caruso Edition Vol. III
 * Spotlight on Enrico Caruso
 * Tenor of the Century
 * The Complete Caruso Vol. II
 * The Great Caruso (album)
 * Verdi Recordings Part. II

These articles each consists of the title and label together with a track listing. because the recordings are out of copyright, there's a large number of similar compilations, with significant overlaps of repertoire and actual recordings, and little if anything interesting or encyclop&aelig;dic to be said about any of them. They belong in a catalogue or possibly in a guide to available recordings, but not in Wikipedia. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:19, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Just to keep things clear. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd go along with a merge to Caruso recordings, as suggested by Alf below. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:41, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. We do routinely record albums by much lesser artists.  Caruso is sui generis, the first and perhaps, in terms of worldwide popularity, the greatest operatic recording star.  --Tony Sidaway Talk  11:19, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Caruso. Agree with Tony Sidaway about routinely recording albums by much lesser artists, but I think a dual standard may be appropriate here.  Let's have proper encyclopedia articles for the true greats and recognise that popular pressure is going to lead to lesser articles for lesser contemporary artistes.  Incidentally, can anyone add to the surprisingly short Caruso article?  Dlyons493 12:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, albums by a notable artist. Kappa 14:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Tony Sidaway, and Expand. These would be better if somone could include more information on the various tracks. Crypticfirefly 15:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Most of the above votes seem to miss the point.  Of course Caruso is notable, and deserves a long and detailed article (I prefer Gigli myself, but that's not the point. I have a couple of these albums myself, and would recommend them &mdash; but that's also not the point); the point is that none of these compilation albums is notable.  Similarly, the tracks are mostly notable (and often duplicated across articles), but not in terms of these compilations. I must admit, I didn't expect any opposition to this AfD; the articles are almost speediable, containing virtually no information, and with little or no scope for expansion. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I considered prior to voting. What I thought was this: Wikipedia is a wiki, these articles aren't much now but the albums are still fairly popular and people in possession of them plus the time and patience to do so can augment them.  Compilation albums contain particular recordings, sometimes the sleevenotes are not so good but it's possible to track down the particular recordings, and the sessions in which they were made, from external sources.  If I view each of these articles as a template upon which can be hung such external information as exists for each track on the particular album, and link it to a master list of Caruso recording sessions, then we've potentially got something that only high price specialist publications could do a few years ago, and we, the public, are going to get it at zero labor cost, and for the cost to Wikipedia of a few kilobytes of disk storage and a minuscule amount of bandwidth.  It's going to be 100% neutral and verifiable and there may well be nothing quite like it in the world up to now.  In my opinion I would be crazy to reject that potential. --Tony Sidaway Talk  21:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This stuff belongs on a music database site like MusicBrainz. Andrew pmk | Talk 18:47, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Dlyons493. Owen&times; &#9742;  19:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep We keep this sort of thing for pop singers. Merging is a very bad idea as it will clutter up the main article. We can have separate articles for detail just a click or two away from a main article and should take advantage of that fact. CalJW 20:34, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Caruso recordings. Alf melmac 20:40, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Alf. Zoe 21:09, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into a single article as per Alf. MCB 21:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment rule #1 in WikiProject Music is Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article. OTOH, WikiProject Albums has a specific color code for greatest-hits albums (perhaps only to be used in those "extenuating circumstances"). &mdash;Wahoofive (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * '''Merge into Caruso recordings per Alf. Nandesuka 01:13, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm in agreement with WikiProject Music's rule about compilation albums. I could see perhaps merging into a list of the recordings, but not a merged list of recordings plus all their tracks, as these articles have. HollyAm 02:04, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep only those albums that contain previously unreleased material. 23skidoo 07:13, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mel Etitis (although not opposed to a mass-merge either)--Doc (?) 18:43, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge per Wahoofive. Barno 20:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


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