Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cary Lawrence


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. SPA/newly-registered editor votes are given little weight, and frankly give the impression of either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. With respect to the keep arguments, neither passing praise for a handful of community theater live performances, nor presidency of a labor union, suffices to generate notability. No prejudice against refunding to draft if real sources covering the subject in depth become available, but I'd want to see those sources first. BD2412 T 03:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Cary Lawrence

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Contested PROD. Non-notable actor. Article has no sources but IMDb, which is not reliable. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete IMDb is not a good source. WesSirius (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Wikipedia is not meant to be an IMDb mirror. The fact that we have aritcles that have that as the only source that have existed for 14 years is a major blemish on Wikipedia. At times we have rushed to create quantity over quality. That might be justified in places where quantity is a mandate, like articles on places that fall under our function as a gazeteer, but it should not be applied to biographies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Many of the filmography entries I checked don't even list her as a cast member, indicating that her roles were small. She starred in a "hit show" (which lasted 27 episodes over two seasons), but that's about it as far as significant credits go, so she fails WP:NACTOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: The subject has also had main roles in a number of plays, so I think WP:NACTOR is met. There are lots of hits at newspapers.com, which I am going through at the moment. I will apply to have some clipped and then provide them here. Dflaw4 (talk) 13:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've selected a few articles to have clipped and am applying at WP:RX now. Dflaw4 (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Some sources: here, here, here and here. The sources provide several short bursts of praise regarding performances in plays. I will be leaving my vote as it is for the moment, but I haven't had the chance to check them out properly myself, but would be interested to hear what others think. I can apply for more sources if others think that will be helpful. Dflaw4 (talk) 12:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   19:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: The subject is still active in the industry.


 * Researched a little more, in addition to being an actress, she is a contributor to ACTRA magazine, and served as President of ACTRA in Montreal. ACTRA is a well-known artist union in the Canadian . My vote is keep.  I think WP:NACTOR is met.
 * Recent article states this information. Source:
 * More sources citing as ACTRA President: ,here, here
 * Also see:
 * Talent Agency Resume
 * Credited in ACTRA Short
 * Will provide more source as I come across them. Elpaabb (talk)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Meeting NACTOR requires reliable sources to write content about her and her performances to establish their significance, and is not just automatically passed by every actor who can list acting roles — having acting roles is literally the job, so if listing roles were all it took then every actor would always clear NACTOR and the idea that it was possible to distinguish notable actors from non-notable ones at all would be dead as a doornail. Being a contributor to a magazine is not a notability freebie in the absence of other people writing content that analyzes the significance of her writing. Being president of a union chapter is not a notability freebie in the absence of other people writing content about her work in that role. And on and so forth: notability can never be supported by primary sources like IMDb or YouTube or the credits scroll at the end of her own films or content published by directly affiliated organizations or anything on Facebook or Twitter — notability requires journalists to do journalism about her, and nobody's shown the first bit of evidence that any such thing exists at all. Notability is not about measuring the things the article says, it's about measuring the quality and depth and volume of sourcing that can or can't be shown to support the things it says. Bearcat (talk) 03:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Weak Keep: The subject has had main roles in a number of plays, I guess WP:NACTOR is met.Alexdlp10 (talk) 09:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete No coverage whatsoever. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Really barely any coverage. Not even an single interview. If there was any kind of decent references, they would be in the article already.  scope_creep Talk  10:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


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