Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casey Donahew Band


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Shereth 20:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Casey Donahew Band

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Article is unreferenced apart from links to two self promotional websites. Band fails to meet notability guidelines as per WP:BAND. Article appears to consist only of promotional material. Deconstructhis (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  KuyaBriBri Talk 13:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Procedural speedy prod delete' - The prod had been on the article for the required length of time for deletion, but it was deprodded by a sockpuppet of a banned editor shortly before the prod would have expired and right before the sockpuppet investigation caught up with him. If this hadn't been listed for AFD the deprod would have been reverted (edits of block evasion banned editors are not valid) and the article would already be gone right about now anyway. Not sure if that's a speedy delete, or revert the AFD and go through with the prod delete or what, but the AFD should never have been necessary. DreamGuy (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep' - I do not agree with the proposed deletion of this page. When I first found this page it only contained text directly copied from the band's bio on it's website. I started by rewriting the article so it would not just be a plagiarized bio, and made it my mission to improve the article. Seeing as how I am a college student with 2 jobs, and nobody else has edited the page, you can't expect the page to be completely overworked immediately. I have recently continued my work on this page adding more information as well as several non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician.Dtrain75
 * You must have a keen interest in this band, you appear to have created your account today in order to edit this article. With all due respect, the text that you have added appears to consist only of additional 'puff' promotional material from local and regional entertainment sources that fail to meet notability requirements for policy purposes here in the encyclopedia, some of which appear to be sourced from a commercial website selling footwear, which I'm going to remove as spam. Indicating that someone holds an honest belief that one day this band will be "famous", supported by information from a regional tabloid entertainment source is not considered reliable, nor does it meet the requirements of WP:BAND. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I would call myself a fan of this band, as I wouldn't attempt to edit something I didn't already have knowledge about. Saying that I created my account today shows your lack of interest as in this entire topic. If you actually looked at the history of the page you would see that I first edited it on June 16th, and furthermore according to my preferences page joined at 05:26, January 5, 2008 . Future more why don't you look at UCTV (University of Connecticut) another article that I have spent much time on. Take a look at what it was before I started to edit it, because I know it didn't appear meet notability guidelines at that time despite not being grabbed. Instead of marking for deletion I actually worked to improve the article similar to what I am doing with this one. You attempts to delete this page could also be seen as an attempt to delete the entire genres of Texas Country and Red Dirt seeing as how they have fast become one of the most prominent bands in those genres. If your going to delete this article you'll need to wipe many of these bands since they are not nearly as notable as this one, that is something I would know as a fan of this music. I also find your argument that the media covering this genre is trivial. As these Genre's are recently starting to emerge as a force in the larger genre of Country Music they are mostly covered by new media, and these are legitimate and well recognized venues of coverage by both the artists of these genre's and their fans.--Dtrain75 (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't personalize the debate or assume bad faith on my part, it's totally unnecessary for what we're working on here and in this case unjustified. I sincerely apologize for the erroneous statement I made earlier regarding when your account was created, all I have to offer in my defence is a pre-coffee "haze" this morning. However, in my opinion the situation still remains the same in terms of what I regard as a lack of reliable sourcing and notability of subject for this particular article. I understand that emotions can quickly arise when the subject of an article under discussion is one we've worked on and especially so, when we're fans of a specific band or genre. In my opinion, the real question to ask here is whether or not the article we're talking about is actually capable of meeting what WP:BAND says, when you look down that list of policy requirements; does the Casey Donahew Band article really meet the criteria for inclusion? My opinion is obviously no; but I'm quite prepared to abide by a consensus of editors, or a failure to arrive at one for that matter. The current discussion isn't about whether or not the Casey Donahew Band are talented musicians or about Red Dirt as a genre, or about the Texas music scene in general, it's directed specifically at this article and whether or not it contains material that is properly referenced and notable.  cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 04:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Firstly, I want to commend Dtrain75 on some good editing done on this article. I'm not endorsing a deletion because the article is in poor shape. Unfortunately, we do have guidelines for entertainers and bands at WP:MUSIC. You'll see a dozen different criteria, any one of which would show that this article merits inclusion in Wikipedia. I don't see the group matching any of the criteria listed there. Now, I did do a Gnews search and found many hits, some of them in very reputable news sources. However, every single one of them was a brief mention along the lines of "Casey Donahew Band will be playing on Sunday". An announcement does not equal significant coverage. If you can show conclusively that any of the Wikipedia requirements for bands is met, then the article should stay, but I don't see that any of them are. --  At am a chat 16:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.