Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casey J


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The result was keep. Well, this is clearly headed for KEEP--so I'm closing this as a case of SNOW. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Casey J

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As the creator of this article notes, this singer "meets WP:NSINGER" due to placing an "album on [a] national chart." NSINGER only says that a subject may be notable for the criteria listed there. All biography articles are expected to meet the WP:BASIC notability criteria of "receiv[ing] significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

I managed to find a few sources about this singer: 1, 2, 3, 4.

Sources 2 and 4 are not intellectually independent of each other as BASIC defines it. There's not too terribly much encyclopedic content to extract out of the small handful of other sources.

Our notability guidelines for people tell us that "the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be 'worthy of notice' or 'note' – that is, 'remarkable' or 'significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded'." –Chase (talk / contribs) 17:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC) *Delete - I don't really listen to the artist or even have any knowledge of her. All I can say is that I may have misunderstood the guideline. I have no problem with this being deleted right now without any further discussion. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 18:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to Keep - OMG, seems very notable per below coments. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 05:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Violation of WP:PERNOM. All About That Bass</b> (<b style="color:Blue">A word??</b> / <b style="color:Purple">Stalking not allowed...</b>) 17:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not possible to "violate" concepts introduced in an essay article. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 17:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per GNG. Quick news Search on Casey J revealed this  coverage on Casey J  from Atlanta Daily World, Atlanta's oldest black newspaper, and also this  from Chicago Defender.  These two, along with the New York Times piece on her  are sufficient for GNG.  She's apparently #1 on the Billboard Gospel chart .--BoboMeowCat (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Many of these sources have already been addressed in the OP. The Atlanta Daily World source is not intellectually independent of the Billboard charts. And being #1 on a Billboard chart is only a possible indication of notability, not a guarantee. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gospel music seems under-represented on WP, and this woman appears a notable gospel singer. She has been covered in the New York Times and others as well as being #1 on the Billboard Gospel chart. Chase, I notice you were the OP who nominated this for deletion, only hours after article creation. I can't help but wonder why you did so so quickly. It seems tagging it for notability would have been more reasonable intermediary step, and more beneficial to WP, in that it would give others chance to expand the article and add sources.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 23:35, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Her coverage in the Times constitutes one paragraph... but I nominated the article because it looked like it was created solely because of her charting on Billboard with no consideration for the more basic (and meaningful) notability guidelines. I Googled and only found brief, fairly trivial mentions in a small handful of sources; not feeling the article could be expanded substantially and meaningfully, I nominated it for deletion. And it's a shame that gospel music is underrepresented on this website, but we are an encyclopedia, not the place to make a statement. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You are correct here, . We don't !vote "Keep" to make a point. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  16:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Frankly I find it hard to accept that having a #1 album doesn't suffice. But here are some non-trivial sources: CBN, television network; Hallels; Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Atlanta Christian Web; The Jace Magazine; Yolanda Adams, radio. --GRuban (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a number of artists who have reached #1 on record charts, including the Billboard charts, that do not have articles – including those who have had their articles deleted – because charting is only an indication of possible notability, not an automatic criterion for inclusion. Note the use of the word "may" in WP:MUSICBIO. Note that Jace Magazine is a blog and the majority of sources that have been presented are based in Atlanta, the subject's hometown and where she recorded her album. Not that we can't use these sources because they're local, but you have to consider that these publications have a vested interest in her, and she is likely heavily working the city's promotional venues for gospel music ("self-promotion [is] not the [route] to having an encyclopaedia article"). And, again, most are not intellectually independent of one another – some include more details, but most are general rehashings of the same facts: she has a single rising up the gospel charts, an album out that she worked on in Atlanta, etc. etc. Non-intellectually independent sources cannot be combined to determine notability. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely correct on all points, . WP:SYNTH is against guidelines. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  16:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hallels is national, and based in Tennessee. CBN is national and based in Virginia. The Jace Magazine is based in Texas. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is a major newspaper. It's a bit of a stretch to say that these all have a vested interest in her. --GRuban (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and fix. GNG has been met. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep We have multiple examples of coverage independent from the subject, clearly passes GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - There's enough here to meet the WP:GNG. The nom holds the article to a higher standard than the GNG requires, not to mention, the charting, which is generally a pretty good indicator that the sources are out there, even if we haven't found them yet. Sergecross73   msg me  19:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, as subject has been shown to pass GNG per the sources provided above. Egsan Bacon (talk) 19:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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