Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cash L3wis


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The result was Delete. There just isn't the reliable sources out there to pass WP:MUSICBIO or the other criteria at the moment. I am willing to userfy the article if requested.}} Ricky81682 (talk) 07:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Cash L3wis

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I can't find any reliable source material for this at all. Searches for "cash lewis", "cash lewis" rapper, etc., turn up nothing other than blogs and some self-published material. (Note that Google will automatically recognize "L3wis" as synonymous with "Lewis".) I therefore see no indication of notability. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am a little bit confused with the article too. But after research,  a lover of hip-hop music (see my user page) and a Wikipedia contributor, I found this appropriate to a Wikipedia Article. I did some research and found that it has 10,000+ hits just of his name. I think it's good (not notable) but passable, when the article has charted one song (but did not received recognition nor coverage) and gaining mainstream recognition with over 350,000 views (I am not saying this marks his notability) just passable.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  03:55, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Certainly it's a common mistake. Indeed, thinking number of Google hits matters toward that is so common that it got written about. It doesn't, though, and there's no space between being notable and being passable as an article subject. (iTunes is not a national chart, by the way, as Apple is not a nation.) What's ultimately required for notability is that the subject have been reasonably extensively noted, by reliable sources not having an interest in doing so. That means more than a name drop or passing mention like the one listed below, it means coverage in some depth. Since article material must be verifiable via reliable sources, if that's not the case, we just don't have enough to write an article from. If he's covered more extensively in the future, the article can always be started at that time, but we always follow that source material coming about, not try to predict its future availability. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Google Search do not clarify his notability. In the process I found an article about Wiz Khalifa and Amber Rose that mentions Cash L3wis, I'm gonna still providing references as the conversation goes on - I know this doesn't prove the notability but somehow collaborate with the process. The iTunes (US) chart, is actually a chart, not because iTunes is not a country or Apple a nation but to US (United States) actually is.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  18:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This might be case of WP:B2B, not lack of notability - yet.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  00:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, Google does not sees "L3WIS" and "LEWIS"  as synonymous. The name is stylized for a reason. The search results are completely different.  Karlhard   (talk to me)  18:30, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I understand the situation, but it someway meets WP:MUSICBIO (2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart), it charted on the iTunes' Charts but not received coverage yet. Just please flag this as refimprove and give me 2 months to complete it.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  15:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I was looking in Google and found: this and [​http://eotmblog.com/2013/08/eotm-awards-13-winners-announced-eotm-online this] I don't know if this is good enough. Will be updating this over time. Thanks  Karlhard   (talk to me)  16:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The EOTM awards do not appear to be notable awards. I can't determine what they even are. Their site doesn't even say what "EOTM" stands for! It might be "Entrepreneurs On The Move", but then again that may be another group entirely (a different blog with another logo). Looks suspiciously like a PR site though. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I know it looks suspicious, but after doing some research, it's actually held, nominates attend to a venue and they celebrate and give physical awards the winner - that doesn't stabilize their notability either, but it's covered by news, paparazzis, recorded and transmitted via local TV. I made a Google Search query and found photos, you can see them here and here. And also found an introduction to the same subject here. Tell me if I am wrong.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  00:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Karlhard (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: We need more contributors to collaborate


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Karlhard (talk) 23:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, I found an article from HYPE Magazine from one of their past webpage. HYPE Magazine is the #1 Digital/Print Magazine Outlet Since 2002. The link previously listed is an interview for Cash L3wis. As I see no further details/comments from any other contributors; means that there are no arguments.  Karlhard   (talk to me)  18:30, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete in spite of a lot of chatter and blog posts and obscure awards, what I don't see is a clear path passing the criteria for inclusion. There simply isn't enough meat on this bone. Dennis - 2&cent; 17:17, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Please remain civil. The awards are not obscure. Just because you don't know about it, it doesn't makes it obscure  Karlhard  (talk to me)  21:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I can only guess you have no clue what "civil" means. Calling an award obscure is an observation as to its widespread influence, or lack thereof.  I can't be "incivil" to an award, it isn't a human, so your statement makes absolutely no sense.  Dennis - 2&cent; 21:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per WP:MUSICBIO, the claim of a single on the iTunes chart indicates that the subject may be notable. In this case, however, there is a lack of reliable sources discussing the subject; I seriously question whether "Hype Magazine" (hosted by Blogspot), which is mentioned by the keep !voter, qualifies as one. There isn't enough out there to justify a WP:BLP article. I do not believe the award nomination mentioned in the article is an indicator of notability, either. Possibly a case of WP:TOOSOON. -- Kinu  t/c 18:52, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * My bad, this is the official article from the OFFICIAL WEBSITE. Of the most notable music blog. Which can claim WP:GNG.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  21:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing the correct link. However, I still see no evidence that this is "the most notable music blog" other than a claim made in the banner ad at top of their website that they are #1. Indeed, in their Twitter bio, they refer to themselves as "Full Service Marketing & PR Company". Hmm. -- Kinu  t/c 18:09, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - to admin or non admin, please don't close this discussion. I am getting more references in order to make this notable.  Karlhard  (talk to me)  21:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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