Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casino hotel


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Casino hotel

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WP:ENN issue. A particular "casino hotel" may be notable, but as a general concept, it isn't. There's some flowery nonsense, but the essence is WP:DICDEF "A casino hotel is a casino with a hotel." Single-page references to management textbooks on either one side or the other aren't sufficient, nor is a primary source annual report from an industry organization. Source discovery is heavily complicated by the nature of the business, but there's nothing substantial. Can't redirect because there's no WP:PRIMARY. MSJapan (talk) 22:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of casino hotels. There's just not a whole lot to say really about the pairing, any more than there is for hotels with restaurants or hotels with conference centers. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of casino hotels. The brief description there is enough. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 07:53, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination completely misunderstands the essential nature of WP:DICDEF, for which the size of the article is quite irrelevant as the policy explains. As this is a major type of business, the topic is actually quite notable and it is easy to find substantial sources including:
 * Career Opportunities in Casinos and Casino Hotels
 * The Determinants of Price Tolerance in the Casino Hotel Industry
 * The Contribution of the Casino Hotel Industry to New Jersey's Economy
 * The modern Las Vegas casino-hotel: the paradigmatic new means of consumption
 * Service climate and customer satisfaction in a casino hotel
 * Analysis of Las Vegas Strip casino hotel capacity
 * Job stress among casino hotel chefs in a top-tier tourism city
 * How to optimize casino-hotel revenue
 * Managing the slot operations of a hotel casino in the Las Vegas locals' market
 * The casino hotel and the internet
 * Andrew D. (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Except the article isn't called "the casino hotel industry." We're not talking about the industry, we're talking about the structure. Your supposed sources (because you haven't provided a single link) have nothing to do with the article focus. MSJapan (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears that MSJapan does not understand how to find sources for this topic. Let's take an example like #4 above.  When one uses a search engine such as Google, this returns a number of hits.  These include the original paper and citations such as the The Wiley Blackwell Encyclopedia of Consumption and Consumer Studies which confirm that this is a suitable source for an encyclopedia.  This source specifically considers the casino-hotel as a structure - a "cathedral of consumption".  Q.E.D. Andrew D. (talk) 22:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Way to not answer the question, and I appreciate the patronizing personal attack - it must mean that I'm right. I did not say the sources were inappropriate.  I said the sources were inappropriate for the article, because, again, you have given sources that talk about the industry for an article that, according to its lede, is entirely about the structure. Citations of a source are also entirely meaningless to source evaluation.  If you don't understand what's going on, don't participate in the discussion, and certainly don't participate by impugning other editors.  Lastly, this isn't math, so I'm not sure why you used QED.  Using phrases incorrectly is probably having the opposite effect of what you intended. MSJapan (talk) 22:54, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * keep This appears to be a term of art within the industry, at least, there is quite a lot of stuff like : "The Contribution of the Casino Hotel Industry to New Jersey’s Economy ; Casinos and Casino Hotels ; Marvin Davis Pursues Plans For Casino-Hotel in Las Vegas - WSJ [www.wsj.com/articles/SB859422022439455000]; Look inside: Showboat in Atlantic City reopens as non-casino hotel [www.nj.com/.../look_inside_showboat_in_atlantic_city_reopens_as_n.html].E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If the problem is just the name, that can be fixed by renaming as Casino hotel industry.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I rescinded my vote to redirect, in light of the recent sources which I couldn't find in my own searches. I also don't think renaming the article is the proper course to take here. I suggest a section for the industry information the article desperately needs. I suggest one of you two fill out the main gist of the industry if it is so particular as you say it is. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 23:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:24, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:24, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

 References
 * Keep – Google Scholar sources alone are providing enough coverage to demonstrate that WP:GNG is comfortably passed. Other sources are also available. See examples below. North America1000 04:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "Service climate and customer satisfaction in a casino hotel: An exploratory case study". International Journal of Hospitality Management.
 * "Analysis of Las Vegas Strip casino hotel capacity: an inventory model for optimization". Tourism Management.
 * "Yield management in Las Vegas casino hotels".  Cornell Hotel and Restaurant Administration Quarterly.
 * "The Modern Las Vegas Casino-Hotel: The Paradigmatic New Means of Consumption"
 * "Intrinsic and extrinsic factors impacting casino hotel chefs' job satisfaction". International Journal of Contemporary Hospitality Management.
 * "Analysis of Return on Hotel Investment: A Comparison of Commercial Hotel Companies and Casino Hotel Companies". Journal of Hospitality & Tourism .
 * "Performance Measurement Through Cash Flow Ratios and Traditional Ratios: A Comparison of Commercial and Casino Hotel Companies". The Journal of Hospitality Financial Management.
 * "Job Stress Among Casino Hotel Chefs in a Top-Tier Tourism City". Journal of Hospitality Marketing & Management.
 * "Ben Siegel: Father of Las Vegas and the Modern Casino-Hotel". Wiley.
 * "Investing in the Casino Hotel". Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.
 * "Smoke gets in your eyes - Examining air quality in casino-hotels". Cornell Hotel and Restaurant Administration Quarterly.
 * "The Contribution of the Casino Hotel Industry to New Jersey’s Economy". Rutgers.
 * "A Primer on the Casino Hotel". Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.
 * "The Modern Las Vegas Casino-Hotel: The Paradigmatic New Means of Consumption". Management.


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