Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cask Thomson (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Lear's Fool 08:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Cask Thomson
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Previously deleted via AfD. This new version does not appear to establish notability any better than the previous article. No evidence of meeting any of the criteria set forth in WP:MUSIC, and no WP:RS indicating subject meets WP:GNG. Kinu t /c  20:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete – Appears to have substantially less information and sources than the previous incarnation. Article makes no new claims of importance since the last AFD. Subject still has yet to meet notability guidelines. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Opposed – Claims of notability with Dream Theater, Hillsong United and Operator Please are verifiable, I am not much of a fan but I have seen him front Australia's big exo day with a decent sized following, more citations needed however —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.142.166 (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)  — username (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep – Cask Thomson is frequently played on Australian radio and Rage Music Television. He has performed quite a few gigs with Stan Walker and I would definitely define him as notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.202.156 (talk) 14:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)  — username (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep – Your right Cask performed with Stan Walker during his 2010 tour and I saw him as a guest artist with Powerhouse Retreat in Central Coast, Australia. You will also find that he has done a few charity appearances with the Parramatta Eels this year. Most of the proof that can back up these claims will be found in Eternity magazine and numerous Drum Media and Australian Prog magazine issues.    (Also to the user after the post above me, its "Keep" not "Opposed" to defend an article)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.235.150 (talk) 14:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)  — username (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment to those voting keep – Please review the nominator's reasons for deleting this article before submitting your argument. Please explain why Cask Thompson meets the criteria at both WP:GNG and WP:BAND, and support your claims using reliable third-party published sources. Having a biographical article entirely supported by social networking and first-party sources literally suggests that Cask Thomson is important because Cask Thomson says so. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: I'm with Fezmar ... the SPAs advocating Keep are expounding some startling reasons for their stance. That they've seen the guy perform?  That he's done charity appearances?  Beats me, but a quick glance at Google Australia gives his top rated hits as this article, his MySpace page, his Twitter page, his eBay page, his website, the user-inputted setlist.fm, the user-inputted songlyrics.com, his YouTube site and his Facebook site, in that order.  A Google News Australia search turns up ZERO hits.  Certainly this guy is hell-on-wheels as a self-promoter, but before the article can be kept, the SPAs suggesting that reliable sources certifying his notability exist must produce those sources.  Period.   Ravenswing  20:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per Ravenswing; subject does not appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO as I can find no significant coverage for this person in reliable sources.  Gongshow  Talk 01:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete looking at the article and gnews there is a complete lack of reliable sources to establish notability. LibStar (talk) 01:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep a featured artist with Thirdmile Media and was once featured on iTunes store a little while back, certainly citations are needed but this page does not lack as badly as other articles found on the English Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.235.1 (talk) 11:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)  — 110.33.235.1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep you will also see that he was featured on Amazon and Cduniverse in 2010 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=CASK+THOMSON&x=17&y=21 and http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8184427 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.235.1 (talk) 11:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Only one !vote per editor. -- Kinu t /c  16:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - No coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Keep under the terms of notability with endorsement deals, artist pages and tours with notable artists. Coverage in reliable sources are found offline which makes things a little hazy but still verify notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thonder (talk • contribs) 13:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)  — Thonder (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep - Artist with Amazon Online and has toured extensively with Hillsong United and has been a session guitarist with notable acts. Also a quick search of the Myspace page shows over one million plays within one year. Artist was also a featured artist on Myspace and Purevolume. I nominate the wikipedia article to be kept — Preceding unsigned comment added by Death2dust (talk • contribs) 13:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)  — Death2dust (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

*Keep - Large background of support by Guitar manufactures and accessory manufacturers, seems to have a dependent following with Australian radio Today FM and Hope 103.2 and his music videos have appeared on Rage on ABC Television. Seems to confirm some sort of notability —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.227.71 (talk) 14:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)  — 110.33.227.71 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please note The definition of notability here is that contained in Wikipedia's policies, not in your dictionary. Please look at the WP: things people have been quoting to you - these are the policies and definitions that are used here. If you show that you are understanding these, and show how you think the article complies with them, more notice will be taken of your posts. Notability doesn't 'trickle down'. Touring with someone notable, or playing for someone notable, does not necessarily make one notable oneself. MySpace is not regarded as a reliable source, and you will find more details about what are and aren't in WP:RS. I am remaining neutral and hope you will listen to me, and I have completed a sentence in the last paragraph that was hanging. Please check it to see if I've got it right. Peridon (talk) 18:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article devotes much space to mentioning the artists' sponsors, but not to establishing notability. The subject does not appear to meet the applicable notability guidelines as mentioned by the nominator. VQuakr (talk) 19:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - insufficient coverage in reliable sources to pass the notability guidelines. Nothing significant appears to have changed since the last AFD. Robofish (talk) 01:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * References Added - Artist has charted in Australian Charts, references added to support claims —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.227.71 (talk) 05:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Neither of the sources you added are reliable (one is actually a Wikipedia mirror). VQuakr (talk) 05:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: Can't find a bit of coverage in any mainstream aussie papers. With apologies to those trying to keep it, he's just not where the notability bar lies.--Milowent • talkblp-r  03:05, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: Seems self-promotional, no reliable sources, should be speedy deleted if recreated next time. --John KB (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.