Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casper's


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The result was keep. Tone 15:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Casper's

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An article about a San Francisco chain of 8 hot dog restaurants which makes no claim of notability. There are two references in the article, both to the homepage of another hot dog restaurant with a similar name.

In searching for reliable secondary sources to expand the article I found only two, which I do not feel meet the criteria of "significant coverage":
 * SFGate covered the chain's 75th anniversary in 2009
 * A guidebook to "Slow Food" in the Bay Area has an entry for one location ★ Bigr   Tex  19:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per nom which lists some satisfactory sources. There's plenty more to find such as Origins of Caspers Hot Dogs: A tale of immigration and success out west. And note that the name is so popular that there are now at least three rival chains. Andrew D. (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I suggest that if such sources do exist, you add them to the article.WaterwaysGuy (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Not many, but there are at least some RS for this (for now added as raw refs to the article), so WP:GNG is about to be fulfilled with some good will.
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:38, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment As nominator, who always read "significant" as meaning "Reasonably large in number or amount" and not "That which has significance (The extent to which something matters)", this AfD process has been frustrating. My favorite sandwich shop has more coverage than this 'chain' of hot dog restaurants, but I don't think it is notable either.  ★  Bigr   Tex  20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Query The Audience section of the Guideline on Notability of Companies says that there should be "at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source." Since I am not from the Bay Area, are either the Mercury News or SFGate considered to be regional sources?  ★  Bigr   Tex  20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm also not from the Bay Area, but The Mercury News is a daily newspaper published in San Jose by the Bay Area News Group and apparently the fifth largest daily newspaper in the US (in 2013). SFGate belongs to the San Francisco Chronicle of Hearst Corporation, apparently a major daily paper covering the city and county of San Francisco. According to their web site, they are among the top five newspaper websites nationally. So they both appear to be regional, not only local. They are both independent. I see both WP:AUD and WP:CORPDEPTH fulfilled, but not by much, but as enough for a weak keep. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:15, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RS. Andrew D makes a strong argument as well. AmericanAir88(talk) 14:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename Kasper's. Subject and it's back history seems notable, especially when the historical family infighting is factored in. My concern is with the title, since it looks to me that Kasper's is the more notable name in most of the sources for having been the founder organization which still has branches operating. It is also the name of the third branch of the family business (the original store in Oakland), so it might be 2 against 1. Casper's should be included in a subheading as the spinoff. StonyBrook (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


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