Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassandra (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. BJ Talk 22:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Cassandra (song)

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Fails notability per WP:MUSIC. B-side to a single only. Article claims it was a single in Yugoslavia although with no reference to back up claim. Paul75 (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, per nominating user paul75's obvious prejudice toward the band ABBA, based on the fact that he nominated 4 ABBA-related articles for deletion consecutively. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  05:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to The Day Before You Came, as is I believe standard practice for B-sides. JulesH (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Although I would have prefered if Our Last Summer and When I Kissed the Teacher were not brought to AfD, and am pleased that the former was kept, The Piper was appropriately deleted, and all the ABBA songs that I am aware of that Paul75 brought to AfD did have issues appropriate for AfD discussion. So I do not think prejudice is an issue here.  At first glance, I had my doubts about this song's notability.  I think the key is the unsourced statement in the article that it was released as an A-side in Yugoslovia.  If that is true, and the song had reasonable chart performance there, then this article ought to be kept.  Otherwise, it is probably appropriate to merge with The Day Before You Came, per JulesH.  Does anyone know how to confirm Yugoslovia chart performance? Rlendog (talk) 02:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Thank you Rlendog. Calling me prejudiced is entirely unwarranted, I am only acting in a way appropriate to Wikipedia guidelines.  I am actually a huge ABBA fan, one look at my record collection would prove that.  What I don't like is Wikipedia being used as a fansite.  I dislike obsession in any form, and I don't believe Wikipedia is the place for detailed articles on every song ABBA ever recorded.  ABBA fansites are for that.  Singles, go into as much detail as you like, but there is absolutely no place on Wikipedia for seperate articles on promo, demo or album tracks, no matter who recorded them.  Paul75 (talk) 03:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Just because editors are on different sides of the inclusionist/deletionist spectrum doesn't mean that our motives are bad.  That said, I do hope you meant to qualify your statement that "there is absolutely no place on Wikipedia for seperate articles on...album tracks, no matter who recorded them" at least to some extent.  After all, some album tracks are extremely notable, even by the general Wikipedia notability standard without even needing the special music standards.  I would hate to think that an AfD for album tracks like A Day in the Life or Blowin' in the Wind Sympathy for the Devil is coming any time soon. Rlendog (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. No awards, no chart, no covers, no WP:RS. Nothing to merge as there are no reliable, third-party, sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 22:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't necessarily disagree with your view, assuming no sources are found, but why is Cassandra an implausable search term? We have lots of Cassandra (disambiguation) articles. Rlendog (talk) 01:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because for it to work some one needs to type in cassandra-open brackets-song(in lower case)-closed brackets. So, the plausibility of someone typing all of that, perfectly, is very slim.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 10:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That is the same issue for any disambiguation title. That is why we have dab pages, and this song shows up on the Cassandra (disambiguation) page.  Are you suggesting deleting all terms with dabs as implausable search terms? Rlendog (talk) 13:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, experienced Wikipedians would know to look under "title (song)" for songs where they know some ambiguity exists in the title.Rlendog (talk) 13:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: non-notable non-charting song. JamesBurns (talk) 01:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - No awards, no covers, doesn't appear to have charted. JoannaMinogue (talk) 08:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, Fails notability per WP:MUSIC. TheClashFan (talk) 07:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.