Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Muhammad Ali. Tone 16:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr.

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Notability (people) "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person." Nowhere in the article, or the obituary, does in suggest that he did anything other than act as a father and unskilled worker: if his son were not who he is, he would be in no way noteworthy. Also nominating Odessa Grady Clay. Kevin McE (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Since this nomination was made, the article has been expanded and many references added. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Smerge (Selectively merge) to Muhammad Ali. No independent notability other than as a parent of a notable person. Edison (talk) 15:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to his sons page (and if anyone thinks there is anything worth merging they can do that.) Duffbeerforme (talk) 15:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm concerned that a redirect may be confusing to the normal reader, given the similarity of the names, and the likelihood that the target article will contain very little information about the parents. Gigs (talk) 15:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable on his own. Simply know because of his son. Skip the redirect. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only claim to notability is his famous son. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 16:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Notability is not inherited. Joe Chill (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not even an once of notability. Just being related to someone notable does not make someone notable.  TJ   Spyke   22:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment How about creating an article called Family of Muhammad Ali, and merging this and Odessa Grady Clay into that? I'm pretty sure we could write at least a couple of paragraphs on each of Ali's parents, and there's no sense in preventing readers from having that information. Ali is a major historical figure, so many readers will be interested in his family and background. Zagalejo^^^ 04:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the family has any collective notability either. One notable member doesn't make a whole family notable. Gigs (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there have been several news articles primarily about Ali's family tree:, , Sure, you can say that they wouldn't have been written about if not for Ali, but if the information exists, I don't see a compelling reason to exclude it. Zagalejo^^^ 18:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * For the small amount of actual meat in the articles you just linked, it could be a couple sentences in his main article. Gigs (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge, if the AP and NYT thought they were notable enough to publish a small obituary, then they are notable. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Says what? Joe Chill (talk) 03:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The father of the most notable boxer of all time is certainly worth mergeing and redirecting at least as it is absolutely verifiable information relevant to the early development of his incredibly significant and world-recognized son. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 13:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge with mother's article. Many of the references for the two articles are the same.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge with Odessa Grady Clay or create a 'Family of Muhammad Ali' article. Jack1956 (talk) 16:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to son's page. Artemis84 (talk) 19:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into Muhammad Ali. TomCat4680 (talk) 02:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge with Odessa Grady Clay. Crafty (talk) 03:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.