Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casualties of the 2010 Quit Kashmir Movement


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The result was   delete. This is an indiscriminate list, plain and simple.  DGG ( talk ) 02:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Casualties of the 2010 Quit Kashmir Movement

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The article in question was created to list the names of all the casualties of the 2010 Kashmir unrest. But this particular article is not of any encyclopedic value as creating a separate article to list the names of the people killed is against Wikipedia's policy for creation of new articles. Johnxxx9 (talk) 05:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as Wikipedia is not a memorial site. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  05:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL--Sodabottle (talk) 16:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:57, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. It works This is encyclopedic. Rename to List of victims of 2010 Quit Kashmir Movement. There are other lists of victims of clashes like List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre. Rabbabodrool (talk) 18:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. We are discussing this article not List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre, which is redirect by the way. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  21:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I added a few of these names, bit by bit, to 2010 Qur'an-burning controversy, as they came up in various sources.  I think that this article and its parent suffered greatly from very strong POV editing on either side, and much of the information I tried to devolve from the Koran-burning article into this one's parent (e.g. about buildings burned) has since been lost, together with the sources, but I should say that it looks like many of these deaths were notable, with coverage in major media of the area, major demonstrations about the deaths, and more protesters shot, and more buildings burned, etc.  I would in fact say that in an absolute sense, these deaths are some of the most notable information I added to the Koran-burning article, and if we include that article about someone almost burning a Koran and throw out this one about >100 people killed in conflict over the sovereignty of a nation, we would be taking Wikipedia's cultural bias to an unsurpassed extreme.  Please — do not dismiss these people as faceless unknowns simply because they aren't from America, and if we can't send UN peacekeepers to Kashmir, then Wikipedia should at least recruit some neutral parties to try to preserve the useful contributions of both sides to the Kashmir articles. Wnt (talk) 15:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment well we do have an article on Quit Kashmir Movement (2010). nobody is discussing deleting that.  all useful info from here can be included in that article.   This is just a list of non notable ( by WP standards) individuals who were killed in the course of this unrest and the list clearly fails WP:NOTMEMORIAL.  that is the reason the article on Casualties of the September 11 attacks does not include details of individuals--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Search for both names in the first row: - results include apparently major newspapers such as Greater Kashmir and Tribune India.
 * Search for the first name in the last row: - results include the Times of India, Agence India Press.
 * Now if you believe that Indian (and/or Kashmir...) newspapers aren't real newspapers, and Kashmir's people aren't real people, then maybe you can say this isn't notable. But if the people killed in these protests have 1/25 the value of the people killed in the Kent State shootings (Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Knox Schroeder, and Sandra Scheuer) then the article should stand, complete with the stand-alone list so that the full details can be provided without degrading the article. Wnt (talk) 19:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, wikireader41 has been inserting so-called anti-Islamofascist POV in many articles and indicates the same on their user profile page. So I have to question if he/she can be expected to give neutral comments about this article. Rabbabodrool (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * well memorial lists are prohibited by community consensus per the policy cited above. why do you think we don't have one for 9/11 victims ??  none of these victims are notable except for the fact they were killed in Kashmir in 2010.  Same reason we don't have a List of victims of Second World War.  None of the articles you have cited are lists BTW.  If you think some of the victims are notable enough to have their own articles then by all means go ahead and start them.--Wikireader41 (talk) 22:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:MEMORIAL does not prohibit the listing of people killed in a notable event. It prohibits starting a page for your dead husband, wife, son, or daughter after he or she smashed into a tree on the way home one night.  A page of that type, for someone otherwise non-notable to Wikipedia, akin to a roadside memorial, is not allowed here.  Which is harsh.  But extending it to cut out all mention of people being killed in a major and fairly well publicized civil controversy, even as hundreds of protesters defy armed soldiers to attend their funerals?  It was never supposed to go that far, never. Wnt (talk) 22:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So according to your argument List of victims of Second World War, List of victims of September 11 attacks would be legitimate articles. Closing admin please note.--Wikireader41 (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do note, as per searches above, that many of these victims are the subject of individual news coverage. Now it is true that if we had a complete, accurate list of all the victims of the second World War, I'd want us to maintain it as a useful resource — but that's beside the point.  Here there are major news articles about the deaths of these specific named individuals.  Many of the people on the list would pass WP:GNG in their own right.  If forced to draw a line between "few named deaths" and "many unnamed deaths", we should draw it where the media stop reporting on people as individuals, and where the only reliable sources available are sources that are involved in trying to compile complete lists. Wnt (talk) 18:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep:Per Wnt - Ret.Prof (talk) 01:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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