Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casuarina Senior College


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Star  Mississippi  02:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Casuarina Senior College

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No references at all. Fails WP:NSCHOOL, WP:GNG. No SIGCOV, NO WP:SEC met. Plausible UPE. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools,  and Australia. Shellwood (talk) 09:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete No effective references since the get-go. Fails WP:SIGCOV.   scope_creep Talk  10:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I used to live near this school. I would say that if this school is not notable, then no schools are. It has a very important role in the education of Darwinians and many from else where in the Northern Territory who board. However, I agree that it needs sources. --Bduke (talk) 07:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. NT News, which its WP article says is a a morning tabloid newspaper based in Darwin, has some refs (1, 2, 3), but it's probably not reliable enough, there was also a passing mention on 9 News (1). There's also a book here, but there's no info on its publisher, so it might be be self-published, I don't see how this is an RS. So there's certainly coverage, but the refs are either too brief are not that reliable; still, I don't think the local tabloid is sensationalising simple info on a school, but whether it counts towards GNG is of question, so I am probably at weak delete (if more refs are found I would probably be at neutral or weak keep). Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep scrapes though WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The standard for all organizations including schools is not GNG, it is organizational notability. This institution does not meet the standards of that requirement.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That is false. In the notability guideline, under WP:NSCHOOL it states "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)". This is a state college, so the standard ''is WP:GNG. Jacona (talk) 01:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG. Contrary to the bizarre comment above, if an article meets GNG then it meets notability standards. SNGs may reduce or clarify notability standards, but they never increase the threshold. Even WP:NSCHOOL says this. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete With absolutely no coverage in the article and light (incidental/passing mentions) coverage presented above, the school clearly does not pass WP:GNG: "presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The bare assertion 'passes WP:GNG' is a litle odd... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment


 * The above nominator is currently targeting a number of artciles which I have created after his/her interaction with me here and here.


 * He even tagged paid editor here which I have denied and sent an email to ArbCom with my real world identity disclosure.


 * He didn’t even acknowledge the following article’s AfD on my talk page.Eesan1969 (talk) 07:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I’ve previously encountered the nom in a discussion, and we disagreed, but I agree with his COI tag. The article is not as bad to warrant G11, but it’s ad like, such as this: AFIN was set up with the mission to facilitate innovation and cooperation between financial institutions and FinTechs, in an effort to digitally transform the banking and financial sectors across the ASEAN region and beyond to ultimately drive financial inclusion. Note the ad like words innovation, ultimately, and transform, if this is the company’s POV, probably rm this is needed. I think the nom probably made a mistake with notifying the AfD, but I agree with this point that you made. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. If the wordings are too promotional, some experienced editor might have corrected it after the Advert tag, no need to tag Undisclosed Paid. In fact, after I have created the page, the management of the Application Programming Interface Exchange contacted me via email, and asked me to delete the page; I have forwarded the whole email communication to ArbCom.


 * When it comes to the AfD, not only informing me, but not considering BEFORE is bothering me. If it's not a Notable institution when its Executive Director passed away, Singapore Prime Minister might not have paid the tribute.Eesan1969 (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

*Keep as per 's explanation above. Eesan1969 (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That is not an explanation nor a criteria for notability. Only sources count in this venue. Where is the WP:SECONDARY coverage that proves its notable.   scope_creep Talk  10:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Eesan1969, as User:scope_creep states, my comment above is not an endorsement of keeping or deleting this article, just a statement that another editors comment was incorrect. I generally prefer to avoid inserting myself into discussions on the notability of subjects in Australia, since I'm not a resident and because it is an English speaking country with a large contingent of English speakers who should be able to take care of themselves. That way hopefully it will be tended to by people who have a clue as to what they are talking about and the means to find sources relevant to subjects relating to their country. Jacona (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Jacona, Sorry, I made a mistake and redacted.Eesan1969 (talk) 08:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG because of the sources, , , , , , , , , , , , , though some are passing mentioned.


 * I never have been to Darwin, but considering its population of 147,255 as per 2019, the above coverage is significant, provided a few media presence and all are directing to NT News.


 * As User:Bduke mentioned above, “I used to live near this school. I would say that if this school is not notable, then no schools are.....” including Nightcliff Middle School and Darwin High School in the city.Eesan1969 (talk) 09:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - As says; If the wordings are too promotional, some experienced editor might have corrected it after the Advert tag, no need to tag Undisclosed Paid. In fact, after I have created the page, the management of the Application Programming Interface Exchange contacted me via email, and asked me to delete the page; I have forwarded the whole email communication to ArbCom. - this makes clear about their UPE issue. Eesan1969 should know about COI which clearly says you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly, but they kept editing. Admins should take note of this. CC:, , .- Signed by NeverTry4Me  Talk 04:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I have declared my position on fintech to ArbCom, and I have given speeches at various conferences in Asia. If any ArbCom members can search my name on Google, they could simply verify my involvement. It's not that difficult to access me for the fintech community in Asia; I am well connected. If someone ask me to stop editing fintech related articles, then everyone should stop editing their own cities, countries, colleges, known places.....then creating an encyclopedia like Wikipedia by volunteer editors will become a failure. CC: ArbCom.Eesan1969 (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Eesan1969 I don't know about others, but I have not created/edited my own place (also my place is still not in anywhere in Google search). Wiki never says such as you said "everyone should stop editing their own cities, countries, colleges, known places". Kindly add notable resources to support the article as per WP:BURDEN and the page will surely survive. About COI, you can check my userpage, how I have declared about my COI. My 2 cents, you too should declare COI to avoid landing into troubles. - Signed by NeverTry4Me  Talk 05:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @NeverTry4Me What precisely does a fintech COI have to do with a local high school? CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 05:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not about this school, but about the Application Programming Interface Exchange page as the creator himself said here "...no need to tag Undisclosed Paid. In fact, after I have created the page, the management of the Application Programming Interface Exchange contacted me via email, and asked me to delete the page; I have forwarded the whole email communication to ArbCom.". They brought the issue here, which wasn't mentioned by anyone earlier. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 05:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Those references presented are very poor. Of the first four references: 1) proves it exists. 2) shows where it is located. 3) States its a large high school 4) Non-RS as it the Daily Mail 5) A model who went there, gained employed. Looking at the rest of them, not one of them constitutes a real secondary source.   scope_creep Talk  07:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, can you nominate Nightcliff Middle School and Darwin High School for deletion? I could see on my talk page you have nominated two more articles which I have created for deletion; I am not interested whether they are kept or not. But expecting a reason, why can't you nominate the above two schools for deletion? If you couldn't give me a valid reason, I will go for a RFC.Eesan1969 (talk) 08:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi How goes it?  There was an RFC in 2017 defined at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES that changed the notability criteria for schools. Before that most of them were considered notable. After that, most them were considered to be under WP:GNG and had to prove in the normal way they were notable, which is the situation we are in now. Those two schools you've found are woeful, but I wouldn't nominate them. I'm not a school type. I don't know enough about them. It been a long while since i've been in school, even university. I sent your APIE article to Afd, as somebody posted an advert tag on it.    scope_creep Talk  09:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi You say, "...Those two schools you've found are woeful, but I wouldn't nominate them. I'm not a school type. I don't know enough about them. It been a long while since i've been in school, even university." .....but still you spend some quality time on the deletion discussion of this school. Any way I am not going to RfC.Eesan1969 (talk) 14:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi This is the first one I've taken part in for years, at least five years. If there was three decent sources on it, I would be fighting to keep it, you can be ensured of that.     scope_creep Talk  15:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You could ask User:Beccaynr nicely, to see if he could find some sources. He is particularly skilled in that domain and has an iron-grip on the polices.   scope_creep Talk  15:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks noted.Eesan1969 (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Note:
 * The nominator seems helpful at times by adding sources to Casuarina Senior College, but again nominated another page for deletion. And I am accussed there accepting money for creating articles. My connection with that particular institution was, I was a speaker at an event organized by them in 2000. I have sent screenshots of a newspaper (which published my speech) and and a photo of my speech to ArbCom via email.Eesan1969 (talk) 15:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Eesan1969 I have nominated, that doesn't mean I am dying to delete the page. If suitable for Wiki, it should be here. If the page can be moved to draft space, I can help the page. I have added resources and informed you to add resources, and I said Kindly add notable resources to support the article as per WP:BURDEN and the page will surely survive., but you are leading the AfD to a moot like condition. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 16:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Really I wanted to add sources based on your above advise, but after the analysis of sources by User:scope_creep, I was wondering what to do....and when he nominates something, you will come out with source analysis....I am really confused. Anyway, I will try my best to add some sources which are best to my knowledge meet WP:RS.Eesan1969 (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


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