Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalina Maya (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep, per late trend. BD2412 T 14:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Catalina Maya
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quite apart from the impossibly bad translation, I don't think this shows notability The refs are routine promotionalism  DGG ( talk ) 19:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment: as I said in the last AfD, 90% of Colombian journalism is promotional fluff and sycophancy. You're going to struggle to find objective sources, especially about models and TV presenters. But the sources are reliable ones. Richard3120 (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete I don't think so. Fails WP:BIO.  scope_creep Talk  10:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SIGCOV, and run of the mill model and YouTuber. She's not a professional journalist - it seems like she's more of a blogger/vlogger. Her sole claim to fame appears to be playing herself in the original series of Ugly Betty. That's not even close to being notable. Bearian (talk) 02:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * just to clarify, W Radio is a reputable and recognized nationally-broadcast radio station, and she presents on it in a professional capacity as part of the drivetime team each weekday evening. If that's not considered enough to make her notable, I won't argue with it, but in Colombia it's almost impossible to become a female radio or TV presenter without being a model and/or former beauty queen, so I wouldn't hold that against her as her background... it's whether she's done enough after that to make her notable. Richard3120 (talk) 11:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm old enough to remember that female teachers who got pregnant were fired, ugly Betty types were not taken seriously in public life, and to become a female New York City Commissioner you had to be Miss America first. Becoming a model was a tried and true method of advancement in my mother's day (the 1950's and 1960s - she had us triplets after she lost her hourglass figure). We gays love our beauty queens. The problem with modelling as a career is that on Wikipedia, we've found it difficult to quantify what makes a model or a radio DJ notable. I don't think we have standards, and I'm not going to link to some deprecated guidelines, as they would not be helpful. So, like many Wikipedians, I fall back on WP:SIGCOV and WP:42, which are far from perfect. Now, as to your specific example, perhaps being a drive time presenter in a major media market is sufficient. Let me think about it. Bearian (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, and have no particular interest in either keeping or deleting this article, merely to point out that she has progressed somewhat from being simply a model and YouTuber. I accept though that it is definitely difficult to find SIGCOV for Colombian presenters, in a country where much of the journalistic reporting is in the style of Hello! magazine, with an emphasis on the glamorous lives led by actors, footballers and models. Richard3120 (talk) 13:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. Pardon the pun, but I've alerted the media: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Radio. Bearian (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: While there is a clear delete consensus here, we just had a keep consensus 1 month ago and the people here are (with the exception of 1 editor) completely different. As such I am including that participation when weighing consensus here and find that no consensus has yet been reached.
 * Delete No indication of significance, let alone notability.  DGG ( talk ) 19:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC) Note: this is the nominator

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep There is WP:SIGCOV in Vanguardia, El Espectador, El Tiempo, El Colombiano, among others, from 2003-2019. Even though some of those contain interviews, they also include the reporters' writing about her. As a model from the early 1990s to 2005, there is probably also a lot of coverage which is not online. I have focused on adding citations and sources to support the information in the article, but I have also added a bit more info that the sources reveal, including that her photos appeared on student notebooks in the late 1990s-early 2000s (when she was also appearing in many advertising campaigns), so she would have been very well known to a generation of school and university students. A Google search shows more coverage of her, which could be added to the article. She clearly meets WP:GNG and probably also WP:NMODEL, which would surely cover someone who is recognisable and written about, no matter what she is recognisable for. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep agree per . 103.200.134.150 (talk) 16:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep She clearly meets WP:GNG and the SNG of WP:NMODEL, She also appearing in many advertising campaigns. Notability is not temporary. WP:NTEMP Lightburst (talk) 18:45, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per RebeccaGreen. Article is good enough to pass WP:GNG. SUPER ASTIG 13:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY after work by . This is possibly a precedent that drive-time DJs could be considered notable, if shown by significant coverage (past or present). Bearian (talk) 03:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


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