Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catarina Carreiro-Pascoal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of Portuguese supercentenarians.  Sandstein  09:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Catarina Carreiro-Pascoal

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Centenarian with no significant independent coverage. Epbr123 (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a memorial service, (added) or Merge per:  Ryoung 122   -- Oliver  Twisted  (Talk)  11:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. I find it reprehensible that, rather than try to give a good-faith period to fix this article, instead this editor nominated this for deletion less than an hour later. The original article creator is probably still in bed. This type of stealth-article killing in the middle of the night is not respectable.

But I digress. Let's start with the nominator's rationale:"centenarian." Actually, this person is a supercentenarian, and only about 1 in 1,000 centenarians will reach super status, so try to get your vocabulary straight. Second, it's far, far more rare to live to 113 (less than 200 verified cases, all-time) than it is to be a college football player, yet we see scores of gratuitous articles on such recentist claptrap.

By the way, I suggest this article could be merged into the list of Portuguese supercentenarians article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_supercentenarians

Ryoung 122 12:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not the middle of the night everywhere. Also, all new pages are patrolled to make sure articles meet: WP:NOTE. This article was not singled out unduly. Also, technically it is the burden of the editor who introduces the material to prove notability. I have absolutely no issue with merging this information into List of Portuguese supercentenarians, as this addresses the notability issue of a separate article. -- Oliver Twisted  (Talk)  12:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Clearly, whoever created the article was an amateur...I originally tracked this down because I thought he was vandalizing the Maria Capovilla article. But an outright deletion makes it more difficult in the future, should someone want to fill in this story here. Note, for example, an article in Portuguese:

Inicio :: Sucesos 11 de ene, 2004 Segunda más longeva cumplió 113 años Lisboa, (Notimex).- La segunda mujer más longeva del mundo, Catarina Carreiro, residente en Idanha a Nova, nordeste de Portugal, celebra su cumpleaños 113 en compañía de sus seis hijos, 26 nietos, 39 bisnietos y siete tataranietos.

TIENDA VIRTUAL

Charola de canapés $400.00 Pasteles y Galletas Catarina Carreiro, conocida también como "Ti Catrina dAvo", quien nació en 1891, tenia 19 años cuando la República fue implantada en Portugal en 1910, y sólo le faltaban dos años para cumplir los cincuenta cuando empezó la II Guerra mundial, en 1939.

Según el libro Guiness Book of Records, la mujer más longeva del mundo es la norteamericana Charlotte Benker, quien nació el 16 de noviembre de 1889, un año y 54 días antes de "Ti Catrina dAvo".

Ambas están todavía lejos del récord de la francesa Jeanne Luise Calment, fallecida en agosto de 1997 con 122 años, pero superaron con mucho la actual esperanza media de vida de la población mundial que es inferior a los 70 años.

Entre los hombre, el récord pertenece al español Joan Riudavets Moll, quien en diciembre pasado cumpió 114 años, según el libro Guiness. La longevidad de Catarina Carreiro no es un fenómeno inédito en su familia: su padre, albañil de profesión, vivió hasta los 105 anos.

El hijo menor de Catarina Carreiro tiene 69 años y el más grande 84.

"Ti Catrina dAvo", según dijo a la prensa una de sus nueras, celebrara su cumpleaños 113 sin grandes festejos porque se encuentra debilitada y sólo se levanta por la tarde.

The point is, there actually are reliable sources about this person. Ryoung 122 12:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Just to be clear, that article is in Spanish. But it's a reliable source. The article is verifiable, the subject notable. Ntsimp (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge to List of Portuguese supercentenarians. There is not enough material here to create a full, neutral article on this individual. WP:N requires multiple, non-trivial, reliable, third-party sources. References #2 and #3 are just her entries on a list, which is trivial. #1 and #4 are decent, but they are not enough to give this individual their own article. An entry on the list? Sure, absolutely. But there are guidelines to determine a threshold that is to be met in terms of notability, and it has not yet happened. Cheers, CP 17:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Portuguese supercentenarians per WP:NOTINHERITED (she was only notable is because she was old). Descíclope (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


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