Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathal Lordan


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The result was   delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Cathal Lordan

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Semi-pro football player who has never played in a fully pro league, thus failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Number  5  7  14:53, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Never played professionally and no significant coverage. Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Played professionally at the highest professional level available in Ireland. See:, . Represented Ireland in several national youth teams . Even played with Cork City in the money loaden Champion League qualifiers . Rejecting football leagues from smaller countries as not being fully professional is a biased opinion. Night of the Big Wind  talk  16:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is irrelevant that he played at the highest level in Ireland - what matters is whether he played in a fully professional league, and he has not. Youth caps do not confer notability, only appearances at full international level (per WP:NFOOTBALL). This is not "biased", it is realistic that players playing in semi-professional leagues are less notable than their professional counterparts. Number   5  7  16:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a biased opinion, due to that fact that is does not take the local circumstances into account. And it creates a very unfair difference between big countries and smaller countries. The players of Luton Town F.C. still have their own articles, while the club plays in a not fully professional league (fifth tier!). Maybe time for a clean up there? Night of the Big Wind  talk  18:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are misrepresenting things - not all Luton players have articles - only those that have played in fully professional leagues. Number   5  7  19:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - the point is, this "unfair difference" (Night of the Big Wind) is known here as notability. A player who has been written about in a national newspaper gets a Wikipedia article and the player who is not reported about doesn't. If he plays in the Olympics then he will meet the criteria. Until then.... Cloudz 679 20:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It then... should you have read the souces I had added already. As far as I know is the Irish Times a national newspaper. But let me guess: disqualified because the article is not only about Lordan. Maybe this one, or this one, or this one or this one good enough? Night of the Big Wind  talk  23:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It still doesn't change the fact that he has not played in a fully professional league. Number   5  7  08:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Mr. Lorgan satiesfies WP:GNG, regardless of the league he plays in. Why do you give me the feeling that nationality issues play a role here? Night of the Big Wind  talk  10:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, so now you've stooped to making unfounded personal accusations? If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd be fully aware that I have AfD'd semi-pro American, Croatian, English and Scottish footballers amongst others - nationality isn't important - passing WP:NFOOTBALL is. Number   5  7  10:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per comment above. Cloudz 679 20:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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