Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catherine Valogne


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  09:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Catherine Valogne

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Article draftified since in it's current state it doesn't meet WP:GNG. Has been tagged for improvement for over a month, without any significant improvement, and moved back from draftspace, again without improvement. Searches turned up very little in-depth coverage. Still fails WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - the French Wikipedia article is very lengthy but a lot of the sources are offline so it's hard to determine whether they are WP:SIGCOV. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaning Delete. The monographs mentioned in the French article (Pierre Descargues, "Le Jardin du Sculpteur Catherine Val et du Photographe Olivier Descargues"... and "Catherine Val, la clandestine" [biographie], Paris, Éditions Area/Descartes et Cie,) looked interesting, until I discovered they were written by her spouse. The French Wikipedia article appears to have been created by a SPA interested in Val and her spouse.--- Possibly (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Her 1962 book, J'aime le théâtre, seems to have been translated into German and Worldcat indicates there were 17 editions and that it's still held at nearly 50 libraries. Given the age, it may be difficult to find reviews of her books in on-line sources, although I found a reference to one review in Revue d'Histoire du Théâtre No. 55 (1962). pburka (talk) 14:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The French article is all very impressive at face value, but there are no reliable sources - and concerns about sourcing noted above tend to add more question marks. There may well have been a Daum edition of glass based on her design (150 is a small run, though), but there's no independent coverage presented. It feels very much like she was an arty lady of means, marginally worthy but certainly not "regarded as an important figure or widely cited by peers or successors, known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique." WP:ARTIST uses the word 'significant' freely. I can see nothing of particular significance presented in the French article and nothing at all of significance in the English one. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, mainly due to failing WP:V of the sources mentioned in the fr.wiki article. The English Wikipedia article at its present state does not weigh for WP:NARTIST. Chirota (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


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