Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catholic–Gallaudet rivalry


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The result was speedy keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Let&#39;srun (talk) 01:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Catholic–Gallaudet rivalry

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Fails WP:GNG. This is not a notable rivalry. It's been a totally one-sided series between two lower-level programs in which Catholic has won 21 games to one game for Gallaudet. There are random passing references to a "rivalry" (e.g., here), but nothing in independent, reliable sources that deals with the series in depth -- and certainly no SIGCOV of a "rivalry". Cbl62 (talk) 20:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 November 21.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 21:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Who won more games in it doesn't really matter. For instance, Lance Armstrong beat Jan Ullrich almost every time they raced, yet they are rivals. Sugar Ray Robinson beat Jake LaMotta every time except once, but they are rivals. Mitsuharu Misawa beat Toshiaki Kawada every single time from about 1990-1998, but nobody would say they aren't rivals. KatoKungLee (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how wrestling, boxing, and bike racing rivals have any relevance here, and there are no stand-alone rivalry articles on those pairings in any event. But my contention is this: Competitiveness isn't determinative by itself, but it absolutely should be one of the factors we consider in deciding whether a series of college football games has risen to the level of a notable rivalry that is worthy of a stand-alone encyclopedia article. The depth of SIGCOV is, of course, the most important issue, but in close cases, other attributes may factor into the assessment as well, e.g, competitiveness, geographic proximity (schools with geographic proximity and especially bordering states more likely to generate animosity that makes for a notable rivalry), the existence of a rivalry trophy, frequency of competition (teams that face each other every year are more likely to be rivals). In this case, there is no in-depth coverage of this series as a rivalry, and the other factors support the conclusion that this is not a Wiki-notable rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For example, the LSU Tigers and Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns have played each other 22 times dating back to 1902, and LSU has won all 22 matches, mostly by huge margins. See here. Despite the geographic proximity within football-crazed Louisiana, the one-sided nature of the series makes it hard for followers to develop a true rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cbl62 - I would personally rank SIGCOV as the most important above all. The problem with competitiveness is results change (see Michigan-Ohio State where Michigan was undefeated early) and with proximity, you get situations like Notre Dame and USC, which are nowhere close to each other. I do also think rivalries in general are partly a media narrative than anything else.KatoKungLee (talk) 02:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, SIGCOV is the paramount touchstone. The other factors shed light in close cases. Cbl62 (talk) 02:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn. After digging deeper, it turns out there is a good deal of SIGCOV from the early years. It also appears to have not been so one-sided after all. E.g., here, here, here, and here. Cbl62 (talk) 23:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Washington, D.C..  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  23:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


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