Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's consensus not to keep this (in this form) but no consensus about a redirect.  Sandstein  11:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada

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Clearly fails WP:NCHURCH, whether on the name given in the WP article or on the name given on the website ("Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services of Ontario"); I found nothing on this alleged group. The article is unsourced despite a 2011 request. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Covered in the Encyclopedia of American Religions. StAnselm (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Potential delete -- This appears to be another case of a local church, a splinter from a major denomination, purporting to be a denomionation. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk | contribs) 04:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There are some scant mentions in GNews from 1979, early 1980s, in English language Regina and Montreal newspapers, proving they exist, but I've never heard of them. Not sure if they're still around. A search in French for "eglise catholique charismatique du canada" brings up business registration numbers, not too much else. Seems they incorporated in 1976 or so. Something in a Qc newspaper about Chemin Neuf Canada, seems to be an offshoot of this religious ideal,, but it was founded by another priest. We're going to need an entire rewrite/newly researched article at this point, to explore what happened with the group. Seems to be an offshoot of Vatican II reforms. I have no interest in writing it however. Oaktree b (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: to discuss possible redirect target Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  14:43, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Catholic charismatic renewal There is little to no coverage of this as a denomination. Sources are very sparse but they present a picture of a small group of individual parish churches that have, over the years, separated themselves from the Roman Catholic church over perceived liberalization of the RCC. They seem to share none of the markers of an actual denomination such as a unified doctrine or an organizational structure. The best AtD appears to be redirecting to the movement that they sort of share. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 21:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * there is no mention of this denomination at the target, so a redirect there would be unwise. Veverve (talk) 17:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , as I mentioned above, I see no indication that this is actually a denomination in any significant way. I do not think, therefore, that WP:RPURPOSE would recommend against such a redirect. I hope that helps. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 17:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe WP:R n. 5 and the current practice of deleting redirects when they are not mentioned at the target at RfDs make it so that redirecting would be a bad idea. Veverve (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , that is not an absolute requirement. Please suggest a different target if you think this one is a poor choice. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 17:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.