Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute


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The result was   keep. NW ( Talk ) 17:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute

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Does not seem to be a notable organiztion, sources, with one exception to a Malta ... I'm not sure what that is ... all suggest this is just another quasi-religious group jockeying for political power but very little evidence they seem to actually have any. IMHO, they seem to criticize LGBT legislation, culture but aren't even known well for doing that. Absent strong independent reliable sourcing I think it may be too soon for this article. -- Banj e b oi   20:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. It does official work at the United Nations on behalf of the Holy See and the Pope (cf activities of the Holy See within the United Nations system and multilateral foreign policy of the Holy See). Anybody who is familiar with the social policy debates surrounding population control and abortion at the United Nations must necessarily have heard or read about this group. By the way, Benjiboi, it isn't really an anti-gay group, it's more of an anti-abortion organization. ADM (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am only familiar with this group in context of an edit war to prop up a lengthy "Criticism" section which has since been greatly trimmed and merged. If they are notable as an anti-abortion group then reliable sources should reference that. -- Banj e  b oi   22:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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 * Delete as nominated. Crafty (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Google Books search linked above finds plenty of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. In the first four are this and this. I haven't got time to go through the other 93 at the moment. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep on the basis of Phil's sources. Looks like an instance of not following WP:BEFORE and assuming rthe absence of sourceability.    DGG ( talk ) 01:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I did actually but didn't make the "C-Fam" connection, I also saw "A pro-family group called the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, which has a permanent office at the UN in New York and keeps a close eye on all UN ..." which does suggest some notability. Unfortunately I've experienced some rather unacceptable sourcing presented from the article creator on other articles so I was perhaps more skeptical than I should be. I'm leaning towards keep myself but I'd rather have more eyes look to see that the sourcing is reliable and independent of the group.  -- Banj e  b oi   01:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG and Phil Bridger. There are also some news sources showing notability. Note that this is not a "vote" in favor of the organziation - see WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Bearian (talk) 16:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There seems to be no reason for deletion apart from critical attitude adopted by certain individuals towards this organization. No serious grounds for deletion = no deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.83.48 (talk) 10:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My views on the groups really don't matter and I have registered that my opinion has changed. If you can improve the article so our readers can see why this group is notable it would indeed be helpful. -- Banj e  b oi   20:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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