Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathy Simon


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The result was keep. Consensus is that independent reliable sources show notability which passes the WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) -- Dane 2007  talk 05:20, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Cathy Simon

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Refs are directory listings, trivial mentions, and/ or primary sources. No evidence of real-world independent notability is established by this article, and though the subject does show up in Internet searches, the results are more of the above (mostly trivial mentions) plus Facebook, LinkedIn, executive profiles, whitepages, Twitter, Livestream, etc. etc. KDS4444 (talk) 07:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete non-notable architect.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. She has won awards and plaudits for her work on at least two major buildings, the San Francisco Main Library and Ferry Building, as well as the Monkey House at SF Zoo and 140 New Montgomery (piece includes an interview with her, she was also a guest on KQED radio to discuss her work on it). She was said to be among "the most accomplished women architects in the United States" in a women's encyclopedia. About her 1996 work on the library, a book said she "garnered immense attention in San Francisco and publicity in national media". Other coverage: ,, SF Gate coverage including this profile, . Another profile in Contract magazine, independent bio by Texas Tech College of Architecture. She was a judge for the 2013 Rudy Bruner Award for Urban Excellence. and the 2012 Progressive Architecture Award. Fences  &amp;  Windows  20:08, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with User:Fences and windows that the subject appears to be notable in her field and would like to add that the references in the article are not trivial mentions nor social media accounts, rather they are from credible and respected sources such as Metropolis, Architecture, The New York Times, The LA Times, and The Atlantic. These sources feature and review her architecture and design work, and specifically credit her by name. UC Berkeley maintains the archive of the firm she founded, SMWM, which in many sources is refered to as an "influential" firm. She is profiled on the IAWA Database, hosted by Virigina Tech Rscooli (talk) 12:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Good find of the IAWA database entry. It lists many awards and notable projects for her. Fences  &amp;  Windows  07:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me highlight quickly: being mentioned in a book by name once as part of a list of influential women in a discipline is the definition of a trivial mention. The encyclopedia mentioning her does no more than that: it mentions her name, and says nothing more.  This is why it is not useful for a Wikipedia article.  Likewise for entries in databases: they say nothing about her, and therefore are not useful for creating an article about her. None of the references to the NYT articles have links, making them less than helpful for assessing notability (though her name does not appear in the title of any).  The reference in the Atlantic is a citation to where she is quoted-- the article is not about her, it is about the city of San Francisco, and she happens to be someone worth quoting there (the article in the Atlantic actually says nothing at all about Simons).  The first SF Gate article is the same: it says not a thing about her, but only quotes her as saying something about the SF zoo.  Look, these references are all great, but they still don't amount to a hill of beans until one of them focuses on Simons and her work specifically rather than quoting her or mentioning her in passing.  If she is genuinely notable, this should not be so darned difficult.  On the other hand....  KDS4444 (talk) 12:58, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually several references are specifically about her, she has won multiple awards for her work, and she has received significant coverage in multiple sources independent of her. She easily passes GNG. Your opening nomination shows a cursory search asserting only "directory" type listings - you were wrong, but you won't admit it and have dug your heels in. Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:25, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  SST  flyer  12:44, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * keep sources brought by editors above suffice to establish notability, including the profile interview in the San Francisco Chronicle.E.M.Gregory (talk) 04:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Good sources found above to establish notability and I found another in EBSCOhost which I'm adding to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


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