Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cause 4 Concern


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep --Bubba hotep 19:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Cause 4 Concern

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Delete per WP:BAND. A Google search failed to reveal their significance. While they initially signed onto a somewhat notable label and released two minor albums on it, the majority of their material is on their own label. I see one non-trivial magazine article about them. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 15:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I could go either way on this one. I found a decent amount of fairly trivial newspaper coverage (band x is appearing at venue y on day z), and one article mention in the NYT that's locked behind a pay wall. They have a band entry and partial discography in the All Music Guide, but no biography or album reviews. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. No indication of any records (not counting self-published records) or significant touring. Notice of "band x is appearing at venue y on day z" applies to any band that has actual gigs. Record reviews would help. The NYT reference can't be viewed and thus can't be used. Herostratus 14:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * Delete, non-notable group. --Cremepuff222  ( talk,  review me! ) 01:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Insufficient evidence of notability given. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ Review! 02:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep They've been mentioned in the NY Times and Time Out magazine as well as some other sources (per a google/lexis nexis search), and they've had a song in GTA III as well as have info on allmusic... that seems to me to fulfill at least some of the criteria of WP:BAND. I would love to see some external sources/refs to show that they're notable. Rockstar915 04:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I usually vote for deletion on these band pages, but if they rate a mention in the NY Times, that's enough for me. (It would help if the link were shown, even if it is a pay-per-read. Realkyhick 04:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Hopefully you all can see this: here's the NY Times mention (in the context of a larger article, it name-drops the group): . There's also an article in JIVE Magazine about them here, and New Zealand's The Nelson Mail wrote an article about them here. Hope that helps. I think there's more but it looks like the group is defunct now (?) and the articles date back a long time. I have access to Lexis Nexis if you all want me to go digging for more, but all those mentions, at least to me, point to a keep. Rockstar915 05:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. There really are no non-trivial articles here.  The sources listed all mention the band, but the requirement is that there be articles about them, where they are the featured subject.  A million bands are mentioned in newspapers when they play gigs or release minor albums - nothing sets this one apart. --Mus Musculus 05:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm always open to changing my mind on these sorts of subjects, but JIVE Magazine's article is about the band, and only the band. Rockstar915 05:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's one.. but WP:BAND reads, "It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works..." --Mus Musculus 05:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * True, true. But those sources I found were just a preliminary search. I'm sure that there are more available... but then again, I don't really care nearly enough to go on a witch hunt. And if I'm going to be the only person banging the drum to keep this article, then let it be deleted. I have no personal ties to it; I just want Wikipedia to be as good as it can be. Rockstar915 05:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, wait a second. Forget the non-trivial sources argument. The band was featured on a video game, GTA III. That seems to fulfill criteria #9 of WP:MUSIC. Furthermore, the band has released two albums on Perspective Records,|4|CONCERN&sql=11:3ifpxqqkldde~T2 a notable indie label, thus fulfilling criteria #4 of WP:MUSIC. This band meets WP:MUSIC! I retain my keep vote. Rockstar915 05:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooo... good catch. Appreciate the effort. I have gone out of my way more than once to save articles, so don't think I'm just nitpicking. :)  Change to keep. --Mus Musculus 20:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem! I'm always open to changing my mind on these discussions, too. And I absolutely don't think you're just nitpicking -- I always love a good discussion. :) Rockstar915 23:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:Music (just) for all the reasons mentioned above. A1octopus 16:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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