Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cecil T. Patterson


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The result was   keep. Cirt (talk) 00:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Cecil T. Patterson

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Contested prod. Martial arts expert. Notability is asserted, but not established through third-party reliable sources. Google returns nothing of substance. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 02:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

A complete list of references are provided. In addition, those web sources have their url. When you click on any of the urls, you are taken to the web source being referenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NiJuShiHo (talk • contribs) 02:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The real problem is that they all qualify as primary sources and are therefore inadequate to show notability. What you should look for is third-party reliable sources, that is, the kind the USEWF cannot get any changes made to without contacting their attorney in the process. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 02:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, I understand what you mean....a lightbulb moment. Only three of the sources are hard copy published texts...even so they are vanity publications. I fear that I would not be able to find any sources outside of the few that I reference. I will see if I can find other sources on the topic. Thank-you —Preceding unsigned comment added by NiJuShiHo (talk • contribs) 02:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timotheus Canens (talk) 01:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Google did return references, including two in Black Belt, which I've added to the article. The man was commended by the governor of Tenessee for bringing karate to Tennessee, so I don't doubt that other sources are available in print. Yappy2bhere (talk) 20:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article asserts that "Patterson was a master equal in stature to American karate pioneers Robert Trias and Ed Parker." If this turns out to be an accurate assessment, I would consider the subject to be notable. Given that it is a new contributor working on the article, I advocate keeping the article at least until a reasonable amount of work can be done on it. Janggeom (talk) 01:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep "He served as both the State Representative and the Regional Director for the United States Karate Association, serving also on that organization's Board of Research. In addition, he became one of the most recognized and respected consultants to federal and state law enforcement agencies, lecturing and instructing on Police Defensive Tactics at the Tennessee Law Enforcement Academy, and serving for 40 years until his retirement as Director of the Arson and Fraud Division for the Department of Commerce and Insurance for the state of Tennessee", suggests notability. Icewedge (talk) 00:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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