Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cecilia Reyes Mortensen (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Cecilia Reyes Mortensen (2nd nomination)
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Previous discussion defaulted to keep due to no consensus however nothing seems to have changed. Most of the notability for the article is derived from being the ex-wife of Carlos Mortensen and, due to notability not being inheritted, the rest of the article fails WP:N and WP:BIO –– Lid(Talk) 09:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's not in the cards for this high-stakes article that's tried to bluff its way into an inside-straight on Wikipedia.  You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, and it's definitely time to throw this hand into the discard pile.  In other words, WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:BIO, WP:N, heck I'll even throw in WP:ATHLETE, since poker is a "sport." Qworty (talk) 11:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the same arguments as were made in the first nomination. She's competed in the highest level of her sport. Pburka (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Poker tournaments are open events with hundreds and thousands of participants, simply "competing" is not a sign of notability as literally as long as you have the money you are allowed in. This is especially true of the WSOP ME, which I am assuming you are using as the basis, which consistantly has over 5000 participants every year. We can not make a page for every person who finishes in the top five hundred, hundred, fifty, or even ten of the event because simply put there is more to notability than "competing" in poker. –– Lid(Talk) 12:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing vote in light of Balloonman's comments. Pburka (talk) 02:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Being part of a five thousand-person contest is not considered "competing at the highest level" that WP:ATHLETE (I know playing poker isn't an athletic sport, but you get my point) requires. She hasn't recieved significant coverage in reliable sources. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Subsequent to the previous AFD, discussions occured at both the Wiki Poker Project and at WP:N talk pages, the point of which is, WP:ATHLETE does NOT apply to poker.  The criteria for poker players similar to the athletes on is: either a World Series of Poker championship or a member of Poker Hall of Fame.  She has neither, so she simply needs to meet the coverage in indepent sources threshold, and while she may be close, she doesn't have the coverage via profiles or her-focused news stories. 2005 (talk) 10:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * Delete or better redirect to Carlosdoes not meet notability by a mile. For those who believe that her mere participation in a tournament establishes notability, please pay attention to the footnote that was added: 8. Participation in and in most cases winning individual tournaments, except the most prestigious events, does not make non-athletic competitors notable. This includes, but is not limited to, poker, bridge, chess, Magic:The Gathering, Starcraft, etc.  Also, while not an official policy/guideline, the poker project doesn't believe mere participation (even winning) of minor tournaments to be inherently notableBalloonman (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


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