Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cedric Aubry


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The result was   no consensus to delete. -- Y not? 19:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Cedric Aubry

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Speedy deletion as nonnotable person was rejected, on the ground that the article claims he is a professional beach volleyball player From the one reference, I cannot determine if it refers to the subject of the article (apparent different name from "Cedric Martin Aubry Sletten" in the lede) and if the Norwegian language website is a reliable source which proves he was a professional athlete so as to satisfy WP:BIO. Nothing else in Google search confirms notability. Is "beach volleyball" a professional sport in Norway? Edison (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - This person does appear to have some coverage by major news sources but they are all written in Norwegian so it is very difficult to tell exactly what is being said. It appears though that he is a professional beach volleyball player. You can be a professional in any sport! You just have to find someone willing to part with their money. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I suggest that there are some activities which do not qualify in every country as inherently notable professional sports. And what sources do you find? Facebook? Edison (talk) 05:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the list of sources I found is here, if we need more I can do a full Lexis search. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And which of those sources are about this individual, and of those, which have the significant coverage needed to demonstrate notability? Edison (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Source 3 is an article on the team and this man's role in it* and comes from a newspaper with circulation of 15,000. Source 4 is an interview with him and a fellow teammate and has a circulation of 25,000~. Source 5 is a different interview with him and a teammate about their work which has a circulation of 9,000~ and the final source on the page is a detail profile of the athlete although I can't find circulation figures from that paper (Le Bien Public). To me these establish a weak notability which nevertheless meets the criteria for Wikipedia. (*All I can get from these sites is a rough translation from various translation sites as I can't read Norwegian myself!) PanydThe muffin is not subtle 04:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm still working on whether this person meets notability, but to answer a question in the nomination, yes, beach volleyball is a professional sport in Norway. The women's team of Nila Håkedal and Ingrid Tørlen did particularly well in a couple of televised tournaments last year.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep This one is definitely a borderline case to me. WP:ATHLETE starts out "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." According to Beach Volleyball Database, Aubry has not won money at a tournament, but WP:ATHLETE doesn't say he needs to have won, just competed. So is the Men's FIVB Youth Junior World Championships a fully professional level? Poking around a bit on the players who won, while it seems to be the major under-21 tournament in the world, it doesn't appear to have prize money, so it's hard to make a case that it's a professional tournament. So this leaves us with the second part of WP:ATHLETE, which is "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships." So is the Youth Junior World Championships enough, or would only the Swatch FIVB World Championships (and the Olympics, where beach volleyball is a sport too) satisfy this? Because this is unclear, I'm going to !vote weak keep.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. From my understanding, the WP:ATHLETE does not guarantee inclusion as notability. This person barely meets WP:ATHLETE and has received little coverage in mainstream sources, suggesting that the article be deleted. --Pink Bull (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.